How about Ted Kennedy tonight!!

[Endangered Specie]

Shaking his head no and giving bush the 'picard maneuver' (you know, the Cut him off, hand slashacross the neck)

[dflprincess]

1. He did?!?!

Too cool. I wish he was giving the response.

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[thebigidea]

5. such scintillating wit! a regular Oscar Wilde.

[Gman]

6. What's that supposed to mean?

[Endangered Specie]

10. 'Picard maneuver' is what picard did when...

he wanted the viewscreen cut offespecially in the middle of the other guy talking. Its a hand slash across the throat.

He disguised it a little to be a neck scratch (looks similiar)

[Michael Harrington]

48. Not to get all Trekgeeky on you, but...

The Picard Maneuver was the ironic term used for the thing that Stewart did when he got up out of the Captain's chair, walked forward and tugged downward once, very vigorously, on his tunic to straighten it out.

I've seen him do that "cut him off" gesture you describe, but I don't believe it was ever called that.

[librechik]

7. not funny

[buycitgo]

12. that was quick!

what did that person say, please?

is it possible to reconstruct?

thx

hate it when they get there so quickly....

[liberalmuse]

9. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

That was funny! Not. Hope you didn't have to dig through too many mothballs to find that 'joke'.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

13. Ancient history. I don't think most Dems would think of that while

he was showing bigger stones than 80% of the other Dems in attendance by allowing his displeasure to be visable.

That was a low blow IMHO.

[Gman]

3. He had a pained look on his face

while shaking his head.

[polmaven]

17. And the way he kept looking up

as if to make sure the ceiling wasn't starting to crack. And his eyes kept rolling!....it was GREAT!!!!!

[Michael Harrington]

49. Just like his Brother used to do...

When he was trapped by duty to listen to Lyndon Johnson drone on in his SOTUs. Bobby would sit with his arms crossed and stare daggers at LBJ, I mean just glower.

[Mari333]

4. Kennedy was awesome

and who the hell was that ONE Dem who stood up and clapped for BUshit? Zell Miller?

[Raster]

11. if it looks like a repug and walks like a repug and talks like a repug...

...it must be Zell Miller!

[Sapphocrat]

51. Di-Fi

The freaking DINO I used to believe in, Sen. Dianne Feinstein from the Great State of California.

God save us from those who "represent" us.

[liberalmuse]

8. Yay!

As I was listening to the drivel on Malloy, I tried to picture Jefferson, Franklin, the Kennedy's, FDR, MLK and other great Americans in the room listening and staring in disbelief at what passes for an American 'leader' and his speech in the 21st century.

[Neshanic]

14. Kennedy rocked! The utter look of disgust was perfect!

I love that man! Especially his response during the health care portion of the propoganda. Shook his head and the look was classic!

[mb7588a]

15. I saw kennedy today!

I saw him getting on the Senate Subway. He looked confident and in good spirits. He waved and smiled to us. If I were closer, I would have told him "great editorial on the war and thanks for the Kerry support!" I was a little too far away though.

[knight_of_the_star]

16. He's responding on C-SPAN right now!

He's being polite and brutal at the same time!

[Kathy in Cambridge]

18. I didn't watch the speech but wish I had just for this!

I am so proud of my Senator! I really hope he doesn't retire...he represents my state and the American people well!

[Valjean]

19. BAD MOVE!!!!

This was a bad move on Kennedy's part. He was being defensive. A stoic silence and confidence would have been far more effective. Sit there and keep your dignity. Show the audience that this idiot can't get under your skin.

Kennedy acted childish. He looked like the people sitting to the right or let on Jerry Springer.

Rangle looked like he was either asleep or had a heart attack ;-)

[wabeewoman]

22. Can you imagine sitting there and smiling

and applauding at all the lies?? Man, I could NEVER be a politician. I thought he reacted very dignified. Didn't you want to stand up and scream at the LIES!!

[Hippo_Tron]

23. Unfortunatley senators/congressmen can't do that...

The Sgt. at Arms would remove them from the chamber and the dems would look like ass-holes.

[Bluerthanblue]

35. i agree i was very

impressed with Kennedy's courage-
he wasn't "playing along" or ... let's call it what it is- LYING-
he was quietly, and respectfully disgusted with the garbage he was hearing-

Being respectful doesn't mean being phoney- does it?

[Yupster]

45. Hillary managed

She looked like she was having a ball at a cocktail party. All smiles and applause.

[solinvictus]

47. Hillary

Despite Freeper opinions, she's been an active enabler of the Chimp since 2001. I've seen little opposition from her.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. You're in a minority of one on this issue.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

25. Kennedy represents his constituency well-that's what the other Dems

should have been doing.

The Repukes were never polite during Clinton's speeches. Why should the Dems be any different, unless you think they should roll over and play dead like Daschle?

[Kat45]

30. Yeah RR, don't you love having him for a senator?

I sure do. :hi:

[Valjean]

54. You do it

You're polite for the sense of self dignity. At the very least, you do it so people won't show clips of you acting like a guest on Jerry Springer.

People who have confidence don't act defensive. This shows.

I'm sorry if I'm not a group thinker. I straddle the fence. If anything you should appreciate that I largely hate Republicans but have some insight as to why they are so successfull.

I'm sure that most liberals yelled Hurrah when Kennedy shook his head. But people on the right and center likely saw this as a sign of weekness.

The looks of boredom that I saw on the face of the military personnell were by far the most effective. It shows a sense that Bush's words are not important.

Next time, I suggest that the Democrats sit silently, refuse to applause (except on introduction of "The President of the United States" you must ALWAYS respect the office). They should look at their watches alot. Scribbling notes would be effective. Reading a book might be effective as well. Talking on a cell phone would ROCK!!!!! ;-)

No arm crossing. That just looks bad. Keep a relaxed natural posture. No head shaking. Your showing that Bush is getting to you. Cetainly don't make a "throat slashing" gesture. No clapping. Booing is appropriate if he says something VERY stupid.

[...Alltogethernow]

26. Yes he did ...

... and the childish display does not help our cause.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

27. "Our" Cause? Do you think the Repukes were polite to Clinton?

Politics is nasty. I'm sick of the Daschles and Feinsteins of the party acting as Shrub's doormat. And there are plenty of other Dems who feel the same way.

[markses]

43. "Childish"

It's an official talking point, ladies and gentleman!

"Our" cause, now? Interesting...

[Gemini Cat]

46. That wasn't childish!

That was righteous indignation from a great patriot!
I was thrilled to see Kennedy's response to the boy king's blunderment of a speech.
Kennedy is and will always be one of the greats!

:dem:

[Q]

31. NO MORE rolling over for the Republican fascists...

...and no more playing nice with those who would just as soon see us dead.

- If the RWingers don't like it...tough shit.

[cboy4]

33. Come on now....that's B.S.

There was nothing wrong with Kennedy shaking his head...and since when does remaining silent ever get anything done??!

[Stephanie]

36. SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN!

Ye shall know them by their SPELLING.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

39. LOL-Spelling and Syntax

the dead giveaways!

[leesa]

38. Right. Being silent and stoical is what has gotten into this mess!

Be good little Democrats and we might let you live after we steal everything from you and brutally rape your butts!

[Valjean]

57. During the SOTU

During the state of the Union, you can't exactly get up and make your own speach.

Yes, Democrats have layed down like dogs and have gotten steamrolled. It's crappy policy. But that's something you do BETWEEN SOTU addresses.

During an address, you have to show courtesy, dignity and confidence. Confident people don't shake their heads like that. It's a powerless reaction. Confident people save their reaction for when they can do something about it.

I'm not saying that Kennedy isn't confident. He just didn't LOOK confident.

No, I am NOT a freeper. I loathe and despise Bush. But I refuse to group myself into a side and throw mud on the other team simply because their the other team. Likewise, I won't praise my side when they perform POORLY.

Kennedy has been around long enough to realize that that camera is panning around the audience. He should know by now that his side will like what he does not matter what. It is the people in the middle that see these reactions that will change opinion.

In my opinion, the Democrats performed VERY poorly at this SOTU. It would be a complete disaster if Bush wasn't 100% full of hot air, distractions and lies. Now it's up to the Deans, Kerry's and Clarks to get in Bush's smug little smirking face about his horse shit. The congressional delegation dropped the ball.

Well, maybe expect Rangel. The sleeping was certainly different and showed a profound indifference for Bush's empty words.

[SemperEadem]

41. I disagree.. thank God there was someone who wasn't buying

the whole thing, hook, line and sinker. He had more courage to do that; to let the cameras show exactly what his views are on Bush's lying...

it's those people who don't want to upset the "decorum" that have allowed this president to go off half cocked to the point that he is comfortable and arrogant beyond belief in delivering a speech of the calibre he delivered tonight.

IF Clinton had delivered that speech, you can bet the refuqulicans would be acting like they were up for Oscars.

Bully for Kennedy!

[The Night Owl]

50. How is shaking one's head in disgust childish behavior?

Shaking one's head in disgust is childish and undignified? Hello?

Lighten up.

[tinanator]

52. bullshit

that was a (and may well be one of the last) great act of leadership from Ted Kennedy. Methinks...

[PretzelWarrior]

55. NO GREAT MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get your act

outta here! everyone knows that when nice, groveling, smiling Daschle was in the limelight, the Bush/Rove/Delay/Gingrich/Cheny/Rumsfeld/Hyde monster had their way. When someone like Dean is coming out swinging and it motivates the Democratic base, the others get the idea that maybe we need to challenge this perversion of the office of president and call his selfish, negative policies what they are.

I'm proud of Ed Kennedy and his response. I think more people should get out there and mouth off and tell these MAJOR LEAGUE ASSHOLES WHAT AMERICA THINKS!!! BOOOYAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aintitfunny]

59. Not just a Good Move

The only possible move. What else could he do. He reacted. I would been doing the "Puke maneuver" (Mime sticking finger down throat and gagging). The ridiculous spin requires this reaction at a minimum. I am very pleased to have Teddy Kennedy as an elder statesman in my party. I was very pleased to see him not sitting there pretending to be happy with what was being said.

[gristy]

20. Kennedy was WONDERFUL!

Short little head shakes, eyes rolls, and looks to the ceiling. Gave me hope that insanity has not completely taken over in DC. He must bring his own water from Boston.

[vpigrad]

21. Kudos to Kennedy, but...

why weren't the rest of the party members not doing the same? We need to let them know we want representation that has backbone like Kennedy. Tell them every chance you get. My rep will be at my wife's office to have lunch on Monday, and that's going to be my message.

[Cocoa]

28. he gave Bush the Hans Blix treatment on WMDRPA's

at the UN, the camera caught Blix and el Baradai basically laughing at Bush's claims, and tonight Ted did the same with Bush's ridiculous "weapons of mass destruction related program activities."

[arwalden]

29. I Saw The Head Shaking

Without uttering a word, Kennedy said "Can you believe this bullshit?"

-- Allen

[neebob]

32. Go Ted!

At least one person in attendance was not afraid to display an honest reaction. What party does he belong to again? I kept flipping channels until I found the one giving him the most camera time - NBC, I think. I also thought it was awesome how they led off with John Kerry, even before the Democratic response. Asked if he agreed with the Resident's assessment of the Iraq situation, Kerry said, "No." He must belong to the same party as Kennedy.

George Bush lies incessantly and his policies are immoral, and I'm having serious trouble respecting anyone who won't say so.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

34. Kennedy was on CNN after the SOTU but I missed him

I hope he tore Bush a new one.

[neebob]

42. Rats! I missed it, too. nt

[arikara]

37. Every time the chimp flicked his tongue ...

... they all jumped to their feet and cheered. Am I the only one who noticed?

[neebob]

40. Not the tongue-flicking

but I noticed the standing and cheering. For what - a whole bunch of things that are either WRONG or NOT IMPORTANT?! That was some sick, sick shit.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

44. It was like a Nuremburg Rally.

:puke:

[TNOE]

53. Ted Kennedy is the Man

I was so proud of him - he knew the camera was on him and he didn't give a shit.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

56. The Honorable Senior Senator from my neighbor state - hats off to you Sir!

:toast:

[eissa]

58. MA is lucky

Being represented so well by a great American like Ted. Wish we here in CA could say the same about our reps :-( Also wish I had actually watched the SOTU just to see Ted, but having to hear * talk is just too much torture for me.

And childish?! PLEASE! Do you not remember how the repukes acted during Clinton's SOTU speeches?! As far as I'm concerned, the repukes are lucky our side didn't all stand up and give * the finger -- of course, that would take some spine, and God knows our side has little of that.