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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 07:42 PM Original message |
Social Democracy and Socialism |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. Democratic-Socialism as opposed to Institutional Socialism |
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izzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think so as I think the way it is done in Eur is good. |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 08:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I agree, I always was in favour of an enlightened capitalism |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
4. Definitely the latter. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
5. Either way works for me... but... |
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debsianben (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. Social Democracy Isn't Socialism |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Hi Ben! |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Labour, NDP, Green, and Nordic European parties are social dems, right? |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. First question, right. |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. yeah |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 05:13 AM Response to Reply #11 |
37. huh? |
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debsianben (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Yes on 1, No on 2 |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Anything resembling soc-dem is called socialist nowadays |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 12:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Hello, Ben! |
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cryofan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. I am a social democrat |
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Syn_Dem (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. Social Democrat here |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 03:21 AM Response to Original message |
16. What is "Democratic Socialism" then? |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 08:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. they are different |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Goran Persson is part of the Social Democratic Party |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. the system, not the parties |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 05:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. How so? |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 05:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
38. ok.... |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Socialism as Radical Democracy |
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evil_orange_cat (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
19. about minimum wage |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. If a minimum wage is not necessary |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. unions:) |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 04:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. It would still be necessary |
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PeeWeeTheMadman (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 10:00 AM Response to Reply #21 |
41. Welfare |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. That's all fine and dandy |
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evil_orange_cat (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. what servitude? |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Minimum wage is keeping people from starving |
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evil_orange_cat (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 02:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. if they paid nothing, nobody would work... and consumers couldn't spend! |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Check out Wal-Mart and unpaid overtime |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Better yet...talk to a trucker |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-20-04 04:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. and this is why minimum wage is not necessary? |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-20-04 05:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. exactly |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-20-04 05:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. I'll give ya one |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-20-04 05:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. I said it is needed |
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brainwashed_youth (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
23. Social democrat |
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MissMarple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 06:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. There is no free health care. Someone always has to pay. |
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cryofan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. You completely miss several important points |
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manfriend (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 11:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. It's like nirvana, but different |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 12:26 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Those countries are broke for the same reason we are |
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blurp (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 11:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Health care here does not equal health care there |
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Kellanved (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 03:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. You pay more |
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blurp (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Is it really that popular? |
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Kellanved (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 10:32 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. well |
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cryofan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 08:51 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Damn straight America healthcare not equal to Euro healthcare! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 03:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
51. I tend to think |
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blurp (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-20-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Oh, come on |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-20-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. duh, yeah |
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blurp (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-20-04 05:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Don't try to turn it around, the burden is on you |
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pacifictiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
27. I think political terminology |
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resist (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
29. Perhaps a more interesting question |
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pacifictiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 11:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I think the issue is not |
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blurp (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-18-04 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
32. Socialism emphasizes society. Individualism emphasizes the individual. |
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pacifictiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. The common denomenator |
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blurp (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. But keep in mind, also |
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pacifictiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 11:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I agree that |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-20-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. you might be interested |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
53. Cooperative vs. selfish individualism |
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pacifictiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-20-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Dear Irate |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-20-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Not at all, pacifictiger. I was replying to blurp's post -- not yours. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-20-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
60. and the damned funny thing is ... |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-19-04 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
46. I'm a Social Democrat, and it depends where you are in the world |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-20-04 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
65. here it is. the end all be all of unregulated capitalism |
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