Bush is toast in November

[Bonhomme Richard]

I am convinced that he doesn't stand a chance for re-election (short of some major national tragedy). Just as we all know that the media is complete BS so also is the idea they peddle about "*"'s popularity. I am convinced of it. They are evil incarnate and even previous supporters are beginning to wake up. I still have a little faith in the people and think they can't wait to kick his sorry ass back to texas no matter what the media says and how they spin it.
Naive? Maybe., Hopelessly optimistic, Yeah.
I think the bush cabal is in for a rude awakening.

[stinkeefresh]

1. yup.

truth.

[cthrumatrix]

11. get the book (I'm 1/2 through....shrub IS a puppet) amazing information

[maveric]

2. "They" know it too. Which leads me to believe that the election will

be stolen or suspended due to the patriot act/martial law. These evil bastards have gone too far to give up power that easily by way of a democratic elecion.
Call me a pessimist but I have a sick feeling about the year 2004.

[Unforgiven]

9. My fears

as well, especially with Blackbox voting in states where it counts.

It is now the new century, PNAC will wait no longer to institute their master plan for this country, and then the world. All that needs to be finished is to drag this nation down to the depths of 3rd world status and we will be there and "ripe for the picking".

And yes they HAVE waited too long for control, they will wait no longer!

My only hope is to be able to leave, if I so choose, of my own doing, if what you describe comes about.

[Wonco_the_Sane]

3. mmmmm toast

I still like Dean but will support any Dem. who gets the nod.

[RC]

4. Doesn't mean a whole lot unless

they lose control of Congress. The bu$h administration needs to be investigated from the 2000 election onward.

cheney's oil meetings in early 2001. Time lines of Afghanistan and Iraq and of course the ever present 9/11 where nothing they say adds up.

If it is just bu$h that is out in 2005 and not Congress also, then they will be back full force in 2008. Bet on it.

[mlawson]

5. We've heard this so many times before,

and yet I can NOT forget about the millions of voters who will vote for bush, because:

--- They LIKE him better than our nominee (not even about issues here);
--- He makes them feel SAFE against the terrorists; (yes, I know. But you can't reason with these types)
--- He passes the beer buddy test, and our guy does not;
--- The media convince the idiots that bush wins the debates in October (hey, this worked in 2000)
--- Skullduggery at the polls; and 10,000 other reasons the incumbents usually win, none of which are GOOD reasons, but so what?

[Enraged_Ape]

6. Why do so many think Bush passes the "beer buddy" test?

1) He continually insults people and gives them silly, condescending "nicknames".
2) He snort-laughs like Beavis and/or Butthead.
3) He has no interest in anything--no books above the 1st grade reading level, no movies other those with lots of stuff gettin' blowed up.
4) He is a backstabber who tells you he's your best friend then completely screws you over when you're not looking.
5) He lies about everything, even dumb things like about how tall or athletic he is.
6) Half of what comes out of his mouth makes no sense whatsoever. Imagine trying to listen to him while drunk in a loud bar.
7) He is perpetually lazy. He doesn't mind people knowing that he's never done an honest day's work in whole life.

And this guy passes the "beer buddy" test? No f***ing thanks.

[RandomKoolzip]

7. Unfortunately a lot of people find those traits appealing...

Don't ask me why, I'm just as mystified. I'd rather shoot heroin with Sylvia Plath than share a brewtowski with *.

[mlawson]

8. He passes it because he passes it.

Sorry for such a simplistic answer, but please understand who we are dealing with. These are 'voters' who may or may not even know who their senators or governor are. The 'beer buddy' test is not quite as literal as you describe it; it's a metaphor for the question, "Which candidate do you feel more comfortable with at a personal level?"

Millions obviously felt more at ease with bush in 2000, than with Gore, giving him enough votes to steal the election. We can argue with them til the cows come home, but I doubt it would change their basic attitudes. It was the same with Ronnie, especially in 1984: I gravely fear that sort of thing may be operating again this year at some level.

"Issues??? Hey, I LIKE the guy, he's doing his best!! Leave him alone!" THAT response is what I fear the most.

[Silverhair]

19. You are correct.

Most people here don't understand the nature of the POTUS candidate debates. They then to think in terms of college debate class points, but it doesn't work that way. Most voters are watching for some point when something unscripted happens that lets them see inside the candidate for a moment, and understand what he is all about. Think of these moments during debates:

Duke blundering the rape question. People saw a cold blooded policy wonk that could not identify with their emotions.

Quail trying to compare himself with JFK, thereby leaving him open for Bentsen's retort. People saw a lightweight. Didn't change the election because people don't care that much about the VP, but it killed Quail's image.

Gore's eye rolling, sighing, and running over and getting in Bush's face. (The debate rules had called for each candidate to stay put. Gore was in violation of the rules which the media pointed out.) Enough of the public saw Gore acting as a spoiled brat, while Bush ignored him and stated his well rehearsed talking points, that they voted for Bush.

Moments like those are what the public is looking for. They aren't looking for college debate points - most of them don't even know how to score a debate.

[stanwyck]

10. Two RWN co-workers have shocked me

with their comments this week. Now, both of these guys are real fire-breathing Rush-listening hard-core conservatives. And they've both bashed Bush this week! Trust me. This has NEVER happened before. One is furious over the new Medicare/prescription drug plan. His elderly mother has excellent coverage which he contends will be discontinued under the Repub. (written by the pharmaceutical and insurance industries) sponsored legislation. Her provider will be able to drop her and she'll be forced to choose a new plan which will be inferior. The other RWN is furious over the infringement of civil liberties he sees in the future for "real Americans". He figures fingerprinting for all citizens is a foregone conclusion. Plus, he's not happy about the Bush undocumented worker amnesty. The problem is, neither one of these guys will vote for a Democrat. They consider Democrats communists. But it is interesting to hear them openly diss the Bushies. Wish Buchanan or some other conservative would go all medieval on Bush and split the RWN vote.

[Cascadian]

12. I hope. I really hope so.

But I am really concerned the mainstream right-wing media is working overtime to play down this whole thing. 48 hours after all of this, I still fail to see the outrage.

John

[Poiuyt]

13. The media is key in any election

Hitler and Goebbels knew the importance of controlling the media and so do bush/Rove. As long as the mainstream press is not exposing the lies and corruption, I feel that we have a long road ahead of us.

We will have to have some very savvy advertisers and a lot of money to flood the airwaves and to counter the news reports. We will need to come up with some great EMOTIONAL ads. No one cares about the facts, but if you can sway the emotions of the voters we might have a chance.

[mindless]

14. I hate to disagree, but our canidates are blowing

themselves up. Most Americans believe that Bush is honest. Every one of the dem canidates(ones that are honestly gonna be there in the end) has major credibility problems. Dean flips his opinions as high as he flips pancakes. Clark isnt really a DEM. Gehpart and all the others are there to keep their names in the papers. I want shrub out but it isnt gonna happen with this group of rag-tag guys who cant stand firm to their true beliefs. I am not out to get banned but I think that a canidate should stay true to his/herself.

I just think everyone of our canidates besides Kucinich, Bruahn, and Sharpten, (Edwards)...The rest are all saying what they think they should say on that day!!!... New day, I guess this is what i believe today. Its turning into a circus and DEAN is on the high-wire. He dont think G-D believes in politics. Except in the South.

It is sad but its true. They are turning this whole thing into a circus.

Sweet Dreams all and sorry if I pissed you off. First time I could get on tonight and its bedtime for me. Sleep well all.

[bobbyboucher]

15. Repub talking points all, good night!

When the Dem candidate gets free from the clutter, he will invigorate the base and steal enough moderates to win.

Hasta la vista Duh!

[Name removed]

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[mykpart]

17. In another thread, someone mentioned

that nobody who didn't vote for Bush in 2000 was planning to vote for him in 2004. Which means that if votes are counted correctly the Dem candidate should win. But that's why the Bushies have pushed redistricting thru in TX and CO, and why they are going to let the military and others living overseas vote on the internet. This way they plan to manipulate and negate our vote.

[Guaranteed]

18. Well...I don't think we ever had much of a chance to win Texas

in the presidential election. It does matter greatly in the House, though, of course.