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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 08:19 AM
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Who Is Losing Iraq? (Time Mag-Joe Klein)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030908-480298,00.html


Last week the President restated the obvious: retreat is not an option. Iraq cannot be left an anarchic, terrorist state. .....But the President has stubbornly resisted sharing with the American people a detailed assessment of the situation in Iraq: the fact that we may still be there a decade from now at a cost of hundreds of billions. The Pentagon — the civilian leadership of the Pentagon, that is — stubbornly insists that it retain control of all aspects of the Iraq operation and that no increased manpower is needed. Oddest of all, the Pentagon retains its neoconservative fantasy that Ahmed Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress — who misled the Administration on weapons of mass destruction and on the rose petals that would greet the American liberators — may yet be coronated leader of a population that barely knows who he is.

State expects only 10,000 U.N. peacekeepers. And a deal will be difficult: the U.N. will agree to American control of the military operations, but not civil administration. "No Bremer," an international diplomat told me. "He's not done very well."

A Pentagon official told me the idea of reactivating the army is "naive"--which is ironic, given the Pentagon's willful naivete about postwar Iraq. But I suspect that all these options will be attempted in the coming months, lest George W. Bush face the electorate in 2004 as the President who presided over a severe degradation of the U.S. military and the diminution of America's reputation in the world — as the President who lost Iraq.


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rwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 08:47 AM
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1. You can say
retreat is not an option when you reside safely in the United States.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 09:01 AM
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2. Of course retreat is not an option
That was just W (Rove) trying to look tough. Whistle-ass.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 09:44 AM
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3. Who's losing Iraq? Clinton's penis, of course!
We all know the devastating and long term debilitating effects that Clinton's presidency had on the entire country, and though George W. Bush has struggled manfully to overcome the legacy of the Clinton administration, it's just been too much for even his awesome capabilities.

If the U.S. gets stuck in a quagmire in Iraq, it's Clinton's fault for not starting an unnecessary war sooner, and it's liberals' fault for not giving the Bushistas sufficient warning of the perils and pitfalls of going into Iraq, and it's . . . well, you just know that it's everyone's fault except the Republicans, and certainly no fault can attach to the Bush administration.

There. Another bold, out-on-a-limb conclusion provided by the prone members of the Fourth Estate. Motto: A twenty? Let me get you some change for that!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 10:06 AM
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4. Apparently Clinton's penis is smarter that the clowns in the WH now
Maybe Clinton's penis KNEW what might happen and what would be needed to conquer and occupy Iraq and that is why it didn't do it.

Of course if he had he would had been accused of wag the dog (due to it's own actions not covering for the single worst failure of US security ever) and if it had gone to the UN to get the forces everyone knew would be needed the Repubes would have been howling from the rooftops and accusing him of trying to create a world government. Clinton's penis apparently is smarter than them too.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 12:11 PM
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5. gratuitous..they were spinning what you say heavily this weekend...it's
already started unfortunately. One wonders how long they can get away with this.........:crazy:
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 12:40 PM
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6. But, but... the coalition of the willing is growing! Thais are joining!
I read this thread this morning and it would be funny if it were not so ridiculous.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/09/04/sprj.irq.thai.troops/index.html
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