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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:26 PM
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Thinking The Unthinkable – If We Vote Fraud Theorists Are Correct
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Thinking The Unthinkable – If We Vote Fraud Theorists Are Correct

Vote Fraud 2004 at first glance was infinitely more widespread than anything that has happened before. It is theorised that if you want to steal an election it makes sense to steal big. And that is what appears to have happened.

This time – if the vote fraud theorists are correct – the thieves did not simply confine themselves to stealing a few important races – as they arguably did in 2000. This time the fraud may have taken place in 20 states or more.

Perhaps learning from 2000 and the problems caused by not winning the popular vote, this time Bush has an apparently clear advantage in the popular vote as well as in the two key state races.

The implications of such widespread vote fraud are huge. In 2004 only 30% of votes were counted electronically. In 2006 60% probably will.

If we vote fraud theorists are right then the Democrats can no longer select their own candidates to run for office without interference, let alone elect them into office. There is suspicion already that the primary race for the governorship ballot in Florida in 2002 between Janet Reno and Bill McBride was fixed so that Reno would not be running against Jeb Bush.

Secondly, if we vote fraud theorists are right, then consider the implications of this defeat for a moment in terms of political reality.

To the activists and liberal media the 2004 result is like a kick in the guts from an elephant. Countless thousands of politically motivated Americans – many of them not even Democrats - swallowed their concerns about Kerry, and worked tirelessly to raise awareness, to tell the truth, to rock the vote and to get out the vote this year.

Along the way Bush made things seemingly spectacularly easy by running the most corrupt administration in history. He lied the American nation into a bitter and seemingly never-ending war in Iraq and committed more and more serious PR blunders than any politician in living memory.

In the end a spectacular popular mobilisation occurred. By anybody's measure Nov. the 2nd was a golden day in American Democracy in terms of the number of voters who turned out and in many cases waited hours to express their democratic rights.

But then Kerry lost.

Psychologically speaking the activists and the independent media bods can probably deal with this. If anything the experience may motivate some to try even harder. But what about the impact on the general voting public?

I am now all but convinced that what I call "tailored vote shaving" took place in many Touch Screen counties. That is, some of the millions of extra Bush voters recorded in the final tallies were not Bush voters at all, they were Kerry voters who were flip-flopped inside the black boxes.

First of all, if we vote fraud theorists are right, then these voters were effectively led to the slaughter by the Democratic GOTV campaign. I am not certain how this will make the new Kerry voters who made it to the polls feel, but I do not think it will encourage them to participate again.

Equally important is the effect this has on the plausibility of election results. If people can swallow this result then I suspect they can swallow anything. And in the process a new benchmark has been set for the GOP vote. Next time 60 million republican's turn up on election day who will be able to say boo?

David Allen - a BBV activist and someone I respect greatly - made the observation to me last week that he is willing to believe there are "59 million bush loving fascists" in America. He can believe this because he says he "meets them everyday".

Now admittedly I am not an American, and I do not live in Georgia like David dows. But I can't believe that. I have more faith in humanity.

If democratic activists start to believe this then they will have already lost the battle. They will have started to fear the very people whose hearts and minds they most need to reach.

Today here at Scoop we published a remarkable first person account from an Ex-Southern Conservative (sourced via Sam Smith's fantastic Undernews newsletter):

" Today wrote me, and this is a part of what she said:


'I just wanted to drop you a note to say hello and hope you are surviving the day. I know you are very disappointed about the election, and I wish I were there to comfort you, though I'd probably wind up just upsetting you more. . . All I can say about what you wrote the other day and about the vote is this. George W is not the first one to lie, cheat, or whatever. Politics has been a crooked, shady business since it began. Republicans are not worse than Democrats in any way. . . As for Granny fussing about Bush and how much she doesn't like him, she has said the same thing about every president that has ever held office. She may be right, but it just shows not many of them are better than the last or the next one. Any way, try not to live your life devastated by what goes on in Washington. I don't have your eloquence with words and I never learned how to argue, so I can't say much more on the subject. I guess the best way to put it is get over it and get on with your life. I need to go. I will be back in touch with you later in the week. Watch your mail box! Bye! I Love You! MMMMMMNNNNNNHHH!!!!!!!!!! Love, Mom'
That's my mom. That's my conservative right-wing republican mom. Who thinks my best friend Chris is a great guy and doesn't want him to get married to his boyfriend. Who is distressed by my political views but still tries to support me through an experience she knows is heartbreaking."

And so long as I keep reading material like this on the internet I will remain hard to convince that the United States really does have 59 million people that are that dumb.

If we vote fraud theorists are right then the fight over vote fraud is one that the Democratic Party simply cannot afford to ignore. Nor is it one that it can choose to fight later.

If we vote fraud theorists are right it is a fight that the Democratic Party owes to the 56 million people whose votes were recorded for John Kerry and who placed their trust in him.

And if we vote fraud theorists are wrong then what harm will have been done through the party sticking up for the most fundamental and important right that any American citizens can exercise. The right to have one's vote counted.

- C.D. Sludge 09 November 2004

"RECOUNT OHIO AND FLORIDA ******* JUST FXXKING DO IT"
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:51 PM
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1. yup. democracy in america. she will be OVER. watch out world.
these guys are going to make the nazis look like amateurs. remember they have the nukes, the bio and chemical weapons.
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