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shawn703 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:37 PM
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We've Been Had (Conservative admits election probably stolen)
I'm glad that Kerry lost. However, I am horrified that Bush won. Or did he?

We get the government we deserve, it is said. What, exactly, did I do to deserve this? And I'm a conservative, too. Imagine how the liberals must feel.

For every person I know who voted for Bush, I know four who voted for Kerry or a third-party candidate, not to mention another six who didn't vote at all! But, then, I run in some unusual circles. Even so...

The Zogby Polls, which usually are pretty accurate, had Kerry winning a clear majority, not just a plurality, and sweeping the Electoral College. Exit polls, which are even more accurate, had Kerry winning going away, especially in the key "Battleground States" of Ohio and Florida, both of which inexplicably ended up in Bush's column at the end. I noticed that, for once, none of the network anchors really discussed either type of poll, though CNN has been accused of jiggering its report of exit poll results. In an excuse switch reminiscent of Iraq being blamed for possessing weapons of mass destruction, suddenly the blame for the voting-booth conversion to Bush is being placed upon the desire of the common man to stamp out homosexual marriage. As comedienne Judy Tenuta likes to say: "It could happen!" Yeah...right.

Dick Morris, ex Clinton political consultant, wrote an article for The Hill, read by a great many Washington insiders, in which he said, "This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night."

Yes, I called for Bush's ouster well over a year ago (IMPEACH BUSH NOW and Bush Must Go!), but I'm still pretty much a conservative. Aside from the lunatic-fringe Christian fundamentalist/dispensationalists, many conservatives started talking about Bush that way at about the same time. That's just paleoconservatives, however; we who predate neoconservatives, those who are but old liberal whine in new battles. That's why you should listen to my ilk more closely than the liberals who just upped their intake of Prozac, alcohol and a variety of other reality-altering substances. They would be railing against anything Republican or conservative just now. People like myself are a different matter altogether. And there are a lot of us. Which is why Bush's victory quite simply does not pass the smell test.

It seems clear to me that Bush didn't win fairly. I think Kerry actually won the election and allowed Bush to steal it. In retrospect, it appears to me that Al Gore did the same thing, albeit less abjectly than did Kerry. But, this time Bush got caught with his hand in the ballot box. I've just had a heel-of-the-hand-forehead-thumping "aha" experience. How could I, of all people, have missed something so obvious?


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Democracy Died 2004 Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:38 PM
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1. I just don't get him n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:44 PM
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4. That's a brilliant new user name..
hope someday you can change it to.."DemocracyReborn"!
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Democracy Died 2004 Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:52 PM
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11. me too n/t
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:43 PM
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2. Here's an interesting excerpt from that article
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 07:46 PM by Straight Shooter
(Remember Rove's little confession to the BBC about his bank of computer terminals? It's on another DU thread. It ties into this man's theory. )

More from Edgar Steele's article:

"Even if they aren't obviously in error or secretly rigged, these new machines can still have their tabulations changed, with nobody the wiser. One of my favorite Internet columnists, Devvy Kidd, two weeks ago predicted "monstrous problems that will make Florida 2000 pale in comparison." Quoting from the December 1996 issue of Cincinnatus News Service, a vote fraud newsletter, Devvy went on to note, "The missing link in the vote fraud investigation has been found. The November 1996 issue of Relevance Magazine reveals that two-way hidden modems are being built into the ever growing number of computerized optical scanner/direct recording voting machines in use all across the country from New England to California...these hidden modems are accessible by remote cell phone technology...these voting machines can be accessed and manipulated from a central super computer without a phone line connected to the wall, and without the local precinct workers knowing that anything is happening at all."

Good catch, Shawn. I don't like what he has to say about John Kerry, but a true conservative does not want his freedom to vote tampered with.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:46 PM
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5. I would think there would be Millions of voters
outraged at having their votes "tampered with"!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:43 PM
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3. Of course, we've "been had" but not enough
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 07:46 PM by zidzi
People care..

I've been depressed for almost a week now and there's no bright spot in sight!:-(
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:49 PM
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6. We've got to get the word out so they do care
There's nothing as satisfying as an avalanche being caused by a snowball that won't give up. :)

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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:55 PM
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7. Absolutely!
That's why hearing that the news organizations are all clamped down about this story is so disheartening. WHERE ARE THE WOODWARDS AND BERNSTEINS? There have GOT to be journalists out there who are willing to rock the corporate boat for the sake of truth! If people don't hear about this (and so far they're really not, outside of D.U. and AAR), they won't know to even call or e-mail their reps or boycott or ... anything.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:12 PM
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9. But, the "news media" is what caused this
problem in the first place. It would be totally out of character for them to care two figs about voter fraud..their mantra is.."the more the merrier".

Cry in the Wilderness.."bush and the media must go".


I hope the Dems in Congress fight this time.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:09 PM
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8. Thanks for being a
bright spot, StraightShooter!
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:18 PM
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10. That's a very good article and we need more like him. nt
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:19 PM
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12. This is the same Dick Morris who said Hillary Clinton was a lesbian
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 11:21 PM by Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Just last week he was hawking a video called Farenhype 9/11, a rebuttal to Michael Moore's Farenheit 9/11. Are we going to give him credibilty now because he says what we want to hear?
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RyomaSakamoto Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:31 PM
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13. MSNBC's Keith OLBERMANN is reporting it ----------------> mp3
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