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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:28 PM
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Social security "chained CPI" proposal threatens economic security (The Hill)
One in three seniors relies on Social Security as 90% or more of their income.



Social security "chained CPI" proposal threatens economic security
By Joan Kuriansky, Wider Opportunities for Women, and Paul Nathanson,
National Senior Citizens Law Center - 07/22/11 03:46 PM ET

Behind closed doors in Washington, the budget negotiations continue. And no matter which deal gets made, it appears the outcome will significantly threaten the economic security of America’s middle class families and seniors.

As always in Washington, the devil is in the details.

One proposal buried in the fine print of the drafts circulating around Capitol Hill involves shifting how inflation is measured, an approach that would result in Social Security and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) cuts for today’s beneficiaries and future generations.

Describing it as a mere technical fix, some Washington policy makers, including the Senate’s Gang of Six, have proposed using something called a “chained CPI” – as opposed to the current Consumer Price Index (CPI) – to calculate annual benefit adjustments. Unlike the traditional CPI, the chained CPI purports to reflect how consumers alter spending in response to changes in prices.

This proposal is anything but a small technical fix. The chained CPI would jeopardize the already fragile economic status of many of the most vulnerable seniors and others dependent on Social Security and SSI as a primary, albeit, inadequate source of income. Adoption of the chained CPI would diminish the core income security benefits promised to every American.



more:
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-a-budget/173069-social-security-qchained-cpiq-proposal-threatens-economic-security
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:30 PM
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1. K/R -- of course they do -- !! The Obama presidency is over --
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:33 PM
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2. LOL
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:37 PM
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3. ?
WTF
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:37 PM
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4. Here's how it works: They assume seniors can't afford hamburger, so they will switch to cat food.
Presto! No inflation. Seniors will alter their spending in response to changes in prices. Of course, maybe they will make other alterations as well - like a fan in place of air conditioning in 102 degree heat. That should work well for an 80 year old.

See how easy that was? And bonus: Hedge fund managers can still pay taxes at 18%. After deductions and off-shore investments, of course. Who doesn't want that?

What was anyone ever concerned about?
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:43 PM
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6. The seniors I know who rely solely/ heavily on Social Security have already
substituted as much as they safely can. But hey, hedge fund managers DESERVE to keep every penny they steal earn.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 01:49 AM
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14. Faygo kid, Pete Peterson is a hedge fund manager
Edited on Sun Jul-24-11 01:59 AM by JDPriestly
and a major foe of Social Security.

Here are some excerpts from an article by Dean Baker published in Alternet in 2007:

Fifteen years ago, Peter Peterson used some of the immense wealth he had accumulated as an investment banker to create and bankroll the Concord Coalition. The Concord Coalition was designed as a bipartisan organization promoting fiscal responsibility, with its primary targets being Social Security and Medicare. Peterson and his crew put out screeds, with titles like "Grey Dawn," that attacked these programs and warned that the growing wave of elderly would bankrupt the country.

Like most of the granny bashers, Peterson routinely played fast and loose with the facts. For example, while warning about the poverty facing future generations, he suggested cutting the annual Social Security cost of living adjustment because the official consumer price index (CPI), to which retirees benefits are indexed, overstates the true rate of inflation. However, if the CPI really overstates inflation, then incomes are rising much more rapidly than the official data show; and future generations will be far richer than we could possibly imagine. (If income rises by 4 percent and the inflation rate is 3 percent, then real income has risen by 1 percent. But if our measure of inflation is wrong, and the rate of inflation is just 2 percent, then real income has risen by 2 percent.)

. . . .

Of course, there is a Social Security trust fund that holds more than $2 trillion in government bonds. Under the law, these bonds are to be repaid from general revenue, which comes almost entirely from the personal and corporate income tax. In other words, the bonds held by the Social Security trust fund, which are supposed to pay the Social Security benefits of retired workers, are effectively tax obligations for wealthy people like Mr. Peterson. If the bonds held by the Social Security trust fund are never repaid, Mr. Peterson and/or his heirs could save tens of millions of dollars from their future taxes. It shouldn't be surprising he is trying to convince the public that the trust fund doesn't really exist.

More

http://www.alternet.org/economy/65341/

Timothy Geithner, one of Obama's closest advisers was appointed to the top post at the NY Fed by a committee headed by Pete Peterson.

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The Federal Reserve Bank of New York on October 15, 2003, named Timothy F. Geithner to serve as the Bank's new president and CEO. His appointment by the New York Federal Reserve Bank's Board of Directors was approved by the Federal Reserve Board of Governors and announced by Mr. Peter Peterson, chair of the New York Federal Reserve Bank's Board of Directors and of the search committee that selected Mr. Geithner.

. . . .

Mr. Geithner, 42, currently is the director of the Policy Development and Review Department in the International Monetary Fund of Washington, D.C. His department plays a central role in the design and implementation of IMF policies and in the review of its financial programs and assessments of member economies. He joined the IMF in September 2001.

. . . .
"I'm pleased Tim Geithner will be at the helm; he'll do a great job," Mr. Peterson said. "He has done an outstanding job at Treasury and the IMF and is admirably equipped to confront the unique domestic and international challenges that will face our financial system over the coming years."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4126/is_11_89/ai_111306860/

The article is from CBS Money Watch, Nov. 2003

On edit, let's don't forget Obama's Cat Food Commission.

From James Ridgeway published in Mother Jones on April 28, 2010

. . . .

In June, according to the Washington Post, Obama’s deficit commission will be participating in a 20-city electronic town hall meeting, put together by an organization called America Speaks. It is financed by Peterson, along with the MacArthur Foundation and Kellogg Foundation. This is a truly unusual event because it marks the first time a presidential commission’s activities are financed by a private group that has long been lobbying the government on the very subjects the commission is supposed to “study.”

Today's Peterson summit is crammed with luminaries in finance and government. First there’s the keynoter, Bill Clinton. Then there’s Alan Greenspan, the Federal Reserve chairman widely credited with getting us into our current economic mess, and Paul Volcker, his conservative predecessor at the Fed. Robert Rubin, Clinton’s secretary of the Treasury, and another pillar of the current economic debacle, will speak. So will Republican Congressman Paul Ryan, a leading GOP guru, who among other things wants to replace Medicare with a system of vouchers and tax breaks. Judd Gregg, the senior and probably most important conservative senator when it comes to finance, will be featured as well; he is a keen proponent of Peterson’s entitlement cuts.
. . . .


http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/04/pete-petersons-anti-entitlement-juggernaut-gets-fueled-obama

I wonder just when Obama decided that cutting Social Security and Medicare would be a good idea. Has he been tricked into this? Or was this his plan even before he was elected?



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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:38 PM
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5. Next time the Praysident claims he's a giant Christian and he
and his wife throw some 'ex gay' rally as they have been known to do, shouting God is in the Mix, we need to point out to him that his precious God seems to vanish from his mix when the least among are are addressed, and when the great frauds of the powerful are brought to light. Some God that is, some mix he's got going on. Kicking Granny For Christ.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 09:56 PM
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11. +1000% ---- Evidently, Obama sleeps at night ... no conscience bothering him-- !!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:55 PM
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7. The chained CPI misses one VERY important thing
If the current CPI accurately measured inflation, and COLA's kept pace, no substitutions would be necessary.

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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:58 PM
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9. If they still measured CPI the way they did in 1980, SS benefits would double.
Every president since Kennedy has jiggered the numbers to make themselves look better.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 09:57 PM
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12. Exactly -- Minimum Wage should be $25 an hour -- and SS should be double ...
This is simply stealing from the public --

and the Minumum Wage has turned workers into slave labor --

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 02:16 AM
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15. You make drastic cuts and buy far, far, far less after you retire
on Social Security -- even if you have some savings -- than you would ever believe before you retire.

What more can you do? You've already substituted just a bit of chicken for beef and pork and started to grow some of your own vegetables.

Are you supposed to just eat beans all the time?

What happens when large numbers of baby boomers start relying for most of their income on Social Security?

Based on our experience, they will drastically cut their consumption.

Considering that baby boomers' name reflects the fact that they are extremely numerous, how will that affect demand in the US?

In my view, just the retirement of large numbers of baby boomers will reduce it a lot.

But if Social Security is put on chained CPI, a few years after the baby boomers start retiring, you could see an extremely drastic fall in demand -- and depression.

This depression could go on a long, long time. And it will, quite possibly, get a lot worse.

My husband and I have never been big spenders. But think of it, we spend even less now.

We drive our cars far less than we did when we were working -- less demand for gasoline.

We eat less and more simply -- less demand for food.

We have the time to go to the library -- less demand for new books.

We choose between cable or internet -- less demand probably for cable TV.

We virtually never go to movies -- less demand for movie theaters.

We almost never eat out -- less demand for restaurant food. (Some seniors go out a lot, but to really cheap, local restaurants, less expensive than they could afford when they were working.)

And what does reduced demand mean? Maybe deflation although increasingly scarce natural resources could raise prices more than one would normally expect.

Economists have looked toward this for years and that is why we should be more worried about falling demand and unemployment and controlling rising medical costs than about whether Social Security will go broke.

Even without chained CPI, I bet Social Security will not go broke.

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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:55 PM
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8. This is a fair deal. Everybody gets cuts.
Senior citizens, and the poor get cuts to Medicare, SS, and Medicare, and probably a lot more.

Rich people, hedge fund managers, corporations, and oil companies get tax cuts and credits. See? Everybody gets cut. Everybody eats peas. Some get to eat then straight out of the can. Others get them mixes with their Penne Vodka.

What could be more fair? Peas for everyone!
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:11 PM
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10. Have you met Ms. Judy Peaches yet?



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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:07 PM
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13. K&R, because everyone needs to read this. n/t
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