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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:50 PM
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Gov Scott Walker has lost the War
The Wisconsin governor’s desire to be at the forefront of his perceived GOP revolution may not only have doomed the anti-union effort, but it may forever label him has the man who gave the democrats the gift that keeps on giving – the return of the union rank and file into the arms of the Democratic Party.







http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/03/04/gov-scott-walker-has-lost-the-war/
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WolfoftheWild Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:54 PM
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1. Walker has successfully done what no amount of campaigning by Dems could do
He has energized complacent Union members of all parties to vote against him.
He has also cast himself in a horrible light to all non-union members and especially Independents.

Donesville,
Population Him
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:14 PM
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4. Welcome on board!
"Donesville, Population: Him"

I chuckled. :cheers:
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Scottybeamer70 Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:19 PM
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6. LOL
Population: him :rofl:
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:09 PM
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8. That is killing me too. Welcome to DU.
:hi:
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:08 PM
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7. Donesville, Population Him.
:rofl:


Thanks for that. Needed it. Welcome. :hi:
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srf Rantz Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 09:32 AM
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13. I really hope this guy is right
but I see it differently. I see it as deliberate that they chose to fire the first salvo of the final battle of the war on the middle class in Wisconsin, in Madison particularly. If they can crush it there, one of the last places where there is still lots of real progressive support among a broad spectrum of people of all walks of life, they win big time. and there are good reasons they would try it there...

below is a rather dark rant I let loose this am in response to the following email:


subject: Is history repeating itself? Ask the Republicans

“We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their right to strike."

- Adolf Hitler, May 2, 1933


again I truly hope I'm wrong...


the answer is of course yes. and its being guided deliberately and with years of planning and design behind it.
that of course sounds like whacko conspiracy theory, that’s part of how this works, and how they can deny its happening, but the facts are there and the signs are obvious.

these are not stupid people. they have studied why past fascist regimes failed and attempted to find ways around the mistakes.
they have poured millions and millions into creating this situation and planning for it.

ask yourself why they did this first in Wisconsin? perhaps the state with the strongest progressive tradition and remaining public unions still somewhat strongly in place at least compared to other states, and in Madison!, perhaps the only place left where there was enough of a “left” to get people out to fight back, or try to. THEY WANTED CONFLICT, THEY WANTED A SHOWDOWN, THEY WANTED PROTESTS AND PEOPLE IN THE STREETS. why would they want that?...pretty obvious...

this is the kick off of the final phase...which will be “redemptive violence”...so far it looks like they misjudged their own capabilities to mobilize the tea party brownshirts to start something...and the protestors have been well-behaved...we’ve heard Walker himself say he had planned to use agents provocateurs to start trouble...meanwhile similar laws pass elsewhere without much notice “keep your eye on this hand”...they won’t “burn the Reichstag” unless they have too, but it is looking like they’re going to have to...this worries me no end.
the standoff situation now in Wis. with small bands of hold out protestors remaining, battles over access to the capital, the senators refusing to return, tempers rising...the issuing of arrest warrants...most news blacked out but Fox Propaganda going off the charts --even for them --on trumped up reports of violence and abuse and outrageousness from the unions and their supporters...on and on.... the perfect set up for the governor to torch his own house and blame it on the “lefties and the union thugs”

then all hell breaks loose...

and they’ve planned for that too. that’s the point of creating this situation in the first place. and it was created. not about budgets and deficits. we know that for a fact. Walker created the deficit with a tax cut for corporations just weeks ago. there were other states with real budget issues they could leverage over the workers, if that was their real goal. They wanted a showdown, and they wanted it there, and they wanted it now.

the only question left is what will the cops and the state troopers and the national guard guys do when Walker orders them to clear out the protestors. if they obey orders, you will see the news blackout in the “main stream” media about Wisconsin suddenly end as lots of really good clear footage of students and union folks getting their heads cracked open get looped endlessly on the ‘telescreen’ as a warning. ‘if it bleeds it leads.’

If I know Madison, that will create an enormous blowback and 100,000s of people will head back to the streets to battle the cops/guard, much more than ‘they’ expect. or maybe that’s why they picked Madison! they’ve (Beck esp.), created this false myth of the specter of a vast strong omnipresent lefty socialist conspiracy set to take over the country any second (which is the real “Big Lie”. this was done again as the' ‘watch what this hand is doing’ illusion to distract) one of the few places they could have got enough people to fill the streets and “prove” the “threat” exists would be Madison. The people of Madison could even prevail for awhile. until we have Kent State on steroids...or Libya.

everyday I hope to find something to tell me I’m wrong...and only find more that tells me I’m right.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:55 PM
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2. Thank you Scott Walker
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 08:55 PM by madmax
:bounce: :bounce:
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:59 PM
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3. That's a beautifully expressed fact. His narcissism is his worst enemy & he can't rein it in
because it's squeezing the life out of any speck of common sense he might have.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:15 PM
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5. I think that the gift
is the fact that we have to defend our rights. When you go to long without having to go on the defensive, you become stagnant and take stuff for granted. Like all the idiots who don't realize that the 8 hour work day, weekends, sick days, among other things are all because of Unions.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:13 PM
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9. Exactly. Too many have bought into the lies that Capitalists gave workers
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 10:20 PM by snagglepuss
better conditions out of uncalled for beneficence.

As Rick Salutin, one of Canada's preminent Left journalists, wrote in the Toronto Star:

“we” workers, who created wealth, had seen it stolen by the owning class and doled back to us in meagre portions. “We” were creating a movement to reclaim our rightful inheritance, and that of all the dispossessed.



http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/948534--salutin-where-s-the-union-s-inspiration
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 11:10 PM
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10. I surely hope your right. He's trying everything.
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Populist_Prole Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 03:29 AM
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11. You're right but he doesn't realize it yet
He and other bagger pols were so ensconced in their own echo chamber they honestly assumed that assaulting organized labor was a winning strategy. I really don't think that they are aware of the degree of how intensely ideological they are: It's just how they see the world. That sterile worldview was challenged in real terms. He can crack wise and put up the confident front...but you know damned well he's madder than hell that this wasn't the walkover he figured it would be. That the formerly complacent and dormant members of the working class ( both union and non-union ) are exerting their influence is icing on the cake, both for what it actually accomplishes, but also for the fact it busts his world to pieces.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 09:23 AM
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12. He's Not Dead Yet, Nor Even Deposed
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 09:24 AM by Demeter
Don't count your crooks until they are in jail. Or at least, out of office.

Even being under court order hasn't mended his ways.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 01:43 PM
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14. Yeah I think he might have handed us a big win in 2012, but I still fear for Wisconsin.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 02:24 PM
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15. There are consequences for
being an unmitigated jerk off.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 03:03 PM
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16. If only
the trend is still bad for unions, labor and everyone not a billionaire in this nation.

I do hope it's not just a speed bump in the downward spiral of the American economy, but I doubt it.

And most Democrats only give lip service to unions when elections roll around. We need a labor party, or a viable moderate left party.

Peace,
Tex Shelters
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