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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:41 PM
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Salon: 48-year-old Afghan dies in Gitmo cage after 9 years and no charges filed against him
Friday, Feb 4, 2011 11:05 ET
Glenn Greenwald
Guantanamo death highlights U.S. detention policy
By Glenn Greenwald



http://www.salon.com/news/guantanamo/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2011/02/04/guantanamo

A 48-year-old Afghan citizen and Guantanamo detainee, Awal Gul, died on Tuesday of an apparent heart attack. Gul, a father of 18 children, had been kept in a cage by the U.S. for more than 9 years -- since late 2001 when he was abducted in Afghanistan -- without ever having been charged with a crime. While the U.S. claims he was a Taliban commander, Gul has long insisted that he quit the Taliban a year before the 9/11 attack because, as his lawyer put it, "he was disgusted by the Taliban's growing penchant for corruption and abuse." His death means those conflicting claims will never be resolved; said his lawyer: "it is shame that the government will finally fly him home not in handcuffs and a hood, but in a casket." This episode illustrates that the U.S. Government's detention policy -- still -- amounts to imposing life sentences on people without bothering to prove they did anything wrong.

This episode also demonstrates the absurdity of those who claim that President Obama has been oh-so-eagerly trying to close Guantanamo only to be thwarted by a recalcitrant Congress. The Obama administration has sought to "close" the camp only in the most meaningless sense of that word: by moving its defining injustice -- indefinite, due-process-free detention -- a few thousand miles north onto U.S. soil. But the crux of the Guantanamo travesty -- indefinite detention -- is something the Obama administration has long planned to preserve, and that has nothing to do with what Congress has or has not done. Indeed, Gul was one of the 50 detainees designated by Obama for that repressive measure. Thus, had Gul survived, the Obama administration would have sought to keep him imprisoned indefinitely without any pretense of charging him with a crime -- neither in a military commission nor a real court. Instead, they would have simply continued the Bush/Cheney policy of imprisoning him indefinitely without any charges.

There's one other aspect of this episode that warrants attention. In its 2008 Boumediene decision, the Supreme Court struck down the provision of the Military Commissions Act which denied habeas corpus review to all detainees, and ruled that Guantanamo detainees at least have the right to a one-time review by a federal court as to whether there is credible evidence to justify their detention (a far less rigorous standard than the one that applies if they're charged with a crime and the state has to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt). Gul had filed a habeas petition and it was fully argued before a federal court back in March -- 11 months ago. The federal judge never got around to issuing a ruling.

This happens quite frequently in our court system: judges simply fail to act within anything resembling a reasonable period of time. Gul was imprisoned for 8 years without a shred of due process (outside of internal Bush Pentagon "administrative reviews") and finally had his Constitutional right to obtain habeas review affirmed by the Supreme Court in 2008. His habeas petition was fully submitted and orally argued almost a full year ago, yet even in the face of his prolonged, due-process-free imprisonment, the federal judge presiding over the case just never bothered to rule on his claims. There's a well-known legal maxim that "justice delayed is justice denied," but this goes well beyond merely violating that. Taking almost a full year -- at least -- to decide a habeas petition for someone who is languishing in indefinite detention for their ninth year is simply inexcusable.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:42 PM
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1. I weep for this country
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:44 PM
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2. I weep for what it was and what it could have been
But not for what it is.


TG, TT
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:45 PM
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3. Here's the part I really weep for...
...the part where, one or two weeks ago, Cheney took a series of victory laps over his belief that Obama finally "gets it" and he and Bush were right all along...and Gitmo was one of the things he referenced.

The stories are all over DU, and I posted one of them, so I'm not going to re-post anything here, but that was it in a nutshell...Cheney feeling a sense of "vindication." That's not right on any level.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:41 PM
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11. I have missed much in the last few weeks, knew that darth cheney was out and about, but didn't
want to hear anything that walking piece of **** had to say.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:01 PM
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8. I weep for all the people that the Taliban have killed


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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:41 PM
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12. and that makes what this govt has been, and is doing, okay?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 11:06 PM
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14. did I say anything about our government?
the column said that this guy was a member of the Taliban

how many people have the Taliban killed over the decades



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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:20 AM
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15. This guy said he had quit the Taliban a year before he was abducted. nt
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 12:12 PM
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17. I guess you don't know the meaning of the word WAS
were you absent that day from school?
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 02:28 PM
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20. If guilt by association holds...
then the number of people that "deserve" extermination for who they knew, what badge they wore, what ideas they thought were fine, etc, would be truly staggering.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 02:40 PM
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21. where did anyone say that he deserved to die
I'm just more concerned with the people who died at the hand of the Taliban than this guy

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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:45 PM
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23. selective empathy implies...
...but I know what you mean anyway. Some people die as the result of their choices, whether they were good or bad, deserved or not. Some people die as a result of other people's choices, and never really have any opportunity to choose or direct the courses of their own lives.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 04:00 PM
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24. I think we get it. You have chosen this moment to weep for innocent victims of the Taliban
Remarkably, you seem to have already tried and convicted the dead man that is the sole focus of the OP. Why else would you state that the victims of the Taliban are more deserving of your tears than this man.

I weep for people like you that are so oblivious to the very essence of your own liberty that you will wear your ignorance like a crown here on DU. The intertubes never forget!

Cheers!
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 07:01 PM
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25. and the Oscar goes to...
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 08:51 PM
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28. to Davidinalameda
... for the best Ronnie Raygun impersonation
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 07:16 PM
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30. thank you
better ronnie than some tired old drama queen



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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 02:41 PM
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22. Sen. Robert Byrd WAS at one time a member of the KKK.
Edited on Sat Feb-05-11 02:42 PM by tblue37
I hate the KKK, too, and have liitle sympathy for any current member or sympathizer. However, I believe that Sen. Byrd sincerely regrets his association with that hateful and sometimes murderous group and genuinely desires to promote civil rights.

Should we treat think of him the same way we think of current KKK?

Don't forget, the Taliban was originally popular in Afghanistan because they rescued and protected people from the abuses of the warlords. In fact, that is how most such radical groups get their start--by stepping in at the grassroots to protect people when government can't or won't. The Mafia in Sicily also got started that way, by the way! Sometimes such groups do so as a calculated way to gain power, but sometimes they really are there to try to help people, but then become vorrupt, violent, and dictatorial, just as so many other people and groups do when they gain power.

Poeple could have joined the Taliban early on, when they were seen as protectors and merely religious, not abusive.

Notice that he said quit the Taliban specifically because of its abuses.


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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 07:03 PM
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26. he was
Edited on Sat Feb-05-11 07:04 PM by davidinalameda
and he worked his ass off to correct the mistakes he made

what did this guy do-he quit the Taliban

big whoop

what did he do after he quit

I'm sure we would have heard if he did do anything since we heard why he quit
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 09:17 PM
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29. He got qqabducted and locked up in a cage, where he stayed until he died. nt
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 07:18 PM
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31. so what did he do between the time he was captured
and the time he quit belonging to the Taliban?

anything?


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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 11:35 PM
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32. Probably the same thing most people in Afghanistan did--he probably lived his
life, which probably included some sort of subsistence level agriculture or some small trade.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 01:00 PM
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33. in other words
nothing to make up for his support of one of the bloodiest regimes in recent history

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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 02:06 PM
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19. We have killed far more.
:(
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:46 PM
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4. "The federal judge never got around to issuing a ruling."
No words.

PB
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:47 PM
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5. It's time for the US administration to face a war crimes tribunal.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:49 PM
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6. So exactly how much safer is the US now he is dead? nt
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:53 PM
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7. Come meet your new jailer - same as the old jailer... n/t
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:10 PM
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9. Anyone responsible for this deserves jail time.
No exceptions, no excuses, damn their party.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:31 PM
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10. Disgraceful, illegal and plain stupid..keep fueling for more blowback idiots. n/t
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:48 PM
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13. This is inexcusable.... End this.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:53 AM
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16. Disgraceful.
As bad as the thugs in Egypt.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:03 PM
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18. War crime. n/t
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 07:42 PM
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27. The continued operation of Gitmo is despicable & inexcusable. It shames us all.
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