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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:33 PM
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Obey: White House Suggested Cutting Food Stamps to Pay for Education Program
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 12:37 PM by Joanne98
This entire interview with Rep. Dave Obey (D-Wis.), the head of the House Appropriations Committee and a powerful veteran member of Congress, who is retiring this year, is worth a read. But one passage is particularly striking. Obey is discussing his proposal to divert funds from the Obama administration’s Race to the Top education program to save teachers’ jobs. Due to the states’ fiscal crises, as many as 200,000 local government employees, many of them teachers, might lose their jobs in the coming year.

The proposal made it in to the House war-funding bill, which needs a Senate vote. The White House has threatened to veto the war-funding bill if it contains Obey’s change. Here is the quote, from an interview with The Fiscal Times:

>>>>>>>>
We were told we have to offset every damn dime of . Well, it ain’t easy to find offsets, and with all due respect to the administration their first suggestion for offsets was to cut food stamps. Now they were careful not to make an official budget request, because they didn’t want to take the political heat for it, but that was the first trial balloon they sent down here. … Their line of argument was, well, the cost of food relative to what we thought it would be has come down, so people on food stamps are getting a pretty good deal in comparison to what we thought they were going to get. Well isn’t that nice. Some poor bastard is going to get a break for a change.
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If Obey is right about this, it is, in a word, horrifying. Food stamps are not particularly generous. They help families that are often desperate. They are just about the last thing that should get cut in the midst of a horrific employment crisis in the wake of a job-sapping recession.

http://washingtonindependent.com/91851/obey-white-house-suggested-cutting-food-stamps-to-pay-for-edujobs-funding

Somebody needs to ask the WH if this is true of not. I think it is because Obey isn't known to be a liar.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:40 PM
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1. K to the mother effing R
:grr:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:54 PM
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:59 PM
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3. declaring war on the poor to fund his *pet* privatization project.
Yup -- that's the CHANGE we voted for. NOT. :grr:
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:36 PM
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5. As long as we are supplying money for
wars we can supply money for what we actually need. We can fund schools, teachers, health issues, food stamps, education grants, name it. How can anyone in D.C. ask us to cut anything that helps? Money was found for wars, money wasn't taken away from the rich guys, they still get their tax rebates. If I can ever find out what planet I live on I may be able to understand. This article in the Wash Independent sounds fishy to me.
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hayrow Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 02:20 PM
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6. Obey stands for something. Obama doesn't
In any conflict or controversy between Obey and Obama, I would support Obey in a heartbeat. Obama is not a progressive/liberal, or, as far as I can tell, anything else. He seems the most "pragmatic" and least committed leader we have had since Nixon.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 02:40 PM
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7. more sacrifices that the poor and newly poor should be expected to make.
But don't anyone dare touch those rich bastards money. They need every penny of it.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:22 PM
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9. All the compassion of a Barbara Bush!
"so people on food stamps are getting a pretty good deal..."
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:40 PM
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10. k&r
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:41 PM
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11. K&R to your K&R
:kick:
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:18 PM
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12. Obey is retiring after this term, and he can say what he damned well pleases.
I hope that he says and writes more later.

I believe him when he says that someone in the White House offered up cuts in food stamps to help keep more teachers on the job.

As disgusting as it is, I don't doubt it.

I just want the name of the sleazeball who came up with the idea.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:45 PM
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13. Obama is unbelievable!
Just when I think he's to the right of Nixon, he doubles down.

Hope! Change! All the ephemeral, elastic, metaphysical concepts you can eat and spend!
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:53 PM
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14. The wrong education plan I might add.
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 05:54 PM by Fearless
Race to the Top that is.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:30 PM
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15. More Change we can Believe in...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:43 PM
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16. During the campaign, when I complained that Obama didn't care about poverty, I was attacked all the
time. "Of course he cares about poverty... he grew up poor!! You are an idiot!"

And now we finally see the truth, and yet all that happens is grumbling. NOBODY here will bother to fight ANY of this.

But, we poor people are not supposed to be angry.

FUCK THAT SHIT!! :nuke:
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:04 AM
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19. Of course we're not supposed to be angry
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 12:05 AM by Hydra
We don't exist.

Besides, the "adults" knew what they were talking about, right? They couldn't possibly be wrong about the backroom power structures involved in getting elected...after all, they're part of the inside crowd, right?

:sarcasm:

I wonder if anyone will care when 20% of this nation starves while billions are poured onto wars overseas.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:37 PM
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24. They want us to not exist---period. And right here on DU, if we dare speak out,
there is the "Mob and swarm" detail to try to force us out.

Democracy at work. :nuke:
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:37 PM
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17. I don't want to believe this
I really don't...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:30 PM
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22. Which is why it is continuing.
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 12:31 PM by bobbolink
"How many deaths will it take til they know, that too many people have died?"
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:43 PM
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18. Holy shit.
:banghead:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 01:13 AM
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20. Experts say food stamp use helps stimulate economy
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/content/2009/jun/20/experts-say-food-stamp-use-helps-stimulate-economy/

By Dee Henry | Hickory Daily Record

Published: June 20, 2009

HICKORY - What is the answer for a struggling economy?

Some experts think the best way to stimulate the economy is through food assistance money, formerly called food stamps. A recent study by the N.C. Budget and Tax Center supports that theory, estimating the $1.6 billion in food assistance money distributed in North Carolina has resulted in $2.8 billion in economic activity.

"When a person spends food assistance money at a local grocery store, that is a sale the store may not have had otherwise," said John Quinterno, research associate at the center. "Then, that money gets turned over several times, generating economic activity."

Quinterno is describing what economists call the "ripple effect" — where money spent at the store helps to pay the store employees, the trucker who delivers food to the store and the farmer who grows the crops.

"Food stamps are an ideal economic stimulus tool because they are always spent locally and have a widespread ripple effect," said Louisa Warren, policy advocate for the North Carolina Justice Center, which houses the Budget and Tax Center.

"Families use food stamps at local grocery stores, and that money is passed on to employees, who spend it in other stores, and suppliers, who use it to pay their workers," she said.

While local dollar estimates may not match the center's exactly, Jo Sloan, with the Catawba County Department of Social Services, said the same theory was used in a recent presentation to the Chamber of Commerce.

"Harvard economist Martin Feldstein, who heads the National Bureau of Economic Research, recently gave his thoughts on the best way to stimulate the national economy," Sloan said. "In findings echoed by other economists and studies, he said the studies show the fastest way to infuse money into the economy is through expanding the 'food-stamp' program. That's how we began the presentation."

In an effort to increase economic demand and stimulate the economy, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act will provide $4 billion nationally in added benefits over the next six months.

The Agriculture Department estimates every dollar in food stamps expands the economy by $1.84.

For the center's study, Quinterno said they used a more conservative $1.73 for every dollar, with a result of $2.8 billion in economic activity since the beginning of the recession.

Sloan said since the downturn began in 2000, the food assistance program has seen a sharp increase.
"We have seen a 300 percent increase in food assistance requests since the recession began in fall of 2000," she said.

A different face

In addition to that increase, the department has seen a change in the people who are requesting assistance.

"Initially, we primarily dealt with families who lived in a fragile economy," Sloan said.

She defined that group as people who were dealing with a mark against them in a job search — a high school-level education, no transportation and no real job skills.

"Now what we're seeing are people who were solid middle class or upper middle class who lost their savings, their 401K, and are desperately looking for a job."

According to recent statistics released by the Western Piedmont Workforce Development Board through the Wester Piedmont Council of Governments, more than 27,000 people are looking for employment in the Hickory-Morganton-Lenoir area.

The Greater Hickory Cooperative Christian Ministry has seen the same change in clients. Executive Director Roger Baker says the ministry has served 10,000 people over the last year.

"And there are 300 homeless people in this area, so that tells you something," Baker said.

More clients have homes, but they can't afford things like utility payments, health care and food.

The ministry offers three types of food assistance. If someone comes in and is in need of something to eat right then, "pop tops," or food ready to eat, is available.

If people qualify for food assistance through the county, they automatically qualify for the ministry's emergency food program, where they can use the organization's pantry, and TEFAP, a separate food program through Second Harvest of Metrolina.

Currently Baker said the ministry is seeing a leveling off in its food assistance program. However, he attributes that to people managing those "food dollars" well.

"People are asking for a little less than normal and I think they're managing it better," he said. "They've made lifestyle adjustments. It's a product of the economy."

More, please

With more people requesting and receiving assistance in general, and the amount of assistance per client increasing, the total amount of assistance money being distributed has increased almost threefold locally.

"Catawba County used to belong to a small group called the '$5 million club,' which included the counties who distributed $5 million in benefits," Sloan said. "Now we're looking at distributing $26 million in benefits."

According to the Budget and Tax Center, the enrollment in food assistance programs increased nationally by more than 4 million people, or about 15 percent, between December 2007 and December 2008. About nine in 10 households receiving these benefits have incomes below the poverty level.

More than 1 million North Carolinians received food assistance money as of December, a 16 percent increase since the year before.

Sloan said qualification for food assistance is determined by looking at a family's basic living expenses and income.

According to the Budget and Tax Center, a household must have a monthly income at or below 130 percent of the poverty level to qualify. For example, a family of four, in 2008, would have to make approximately $2,445 each month to receive assistance.

Benefits are determined by a sliding scale and can only be used to purchase food items.

According to the center, half of all participating households nationwide have received less than $176 in recent months.

However, that relatively small amount of money has had big results, particularly in rural areas. In Catawba County, the $29 million in assistance dollars paid out since December 2007 has resulted in an estimated $50.8 million in economic impact.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:34 PM
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23. Thank you very much for reminding us of this. Very important info, if "progressives" would just
memorize it and keep repeating it.

VERY important. :yourock:
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 01:42 AM
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21. Obey also said....


I think the more important thing was what was my biggest failure. I think our biggest failure collectively has been our failure to stop the ripoff of the middle class by the economic elite of this country, and this is not just something that happened because of the forces of the market.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Issues/Budget-Impact/2010/07/16/David-Obey-I-Leave-More-Discontented-Than-I-Started.aspx

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