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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:41 PM
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Rand Paul's meltdown on TRMS
by snowman3
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/5/19/868057/-Rand-Pauls-meltdown-on-TRMS

I'm not sure if someone else has diaried this yet (I didn't see a diary on the list), but tonight on The Rachel Maddow Show, newly minted Kentucky Rebublican senatorial candidate Rand Paul refused to say whether or not he would have voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He repeatedly said he was not a racist and said he abhorred institutional racism (I wonder if this is a dog whistle to the Tea Party about affirmative action) but he said he could only support 9 of the 10 Titles of the Civil Rights Act, saying he could not support the Title referring to private institutions. Presumably he was talking about Title VII which "prohibits discrimination by covered employers on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin".

Rachel repeatedly pressed Paul on the issue, in fact the entire interview was about this issue, but Paul refused to budge. He said he would have tried to change that Title if he had to vote on the Civil Rights Act. Rachel correctly pointed out that without government enforcing non-discrimination at private businesses, businesses could refuse to serve people based on their race or sexual orientation or on any other basis the business decided. Paul was unmoved and called the issue a red herring, while saying he was personally against discrimination and institutional racism. Rachel pointed to the concrete example of Walgreens refusing to serve blacks at lunch counters back in the 60s, yet Paul stuck to his guns.

Paul repeatedly tried to bring the discussion to a theoretical discussion, asking if restaurants were private or public and then he weirdly said that he didnt want to step on the First Amendment, saying that he abhors (of course) racism but people should have the right to say racist things. Does Rand Paul believe that the First Amendment gaurantees private businesses the 'right' to refuse to serve customers on the basis of their race, or sexual orientation or on any other bias of the owner? I don't know the answer to that question but it sure seemed that he was suggesting that. I'll post the video as soon as I can find it, but I really don't think we have any business losing to a person with Rand Paul's beliefs, even in a conservative state like Kentucky.

UPDATE 1: As Drewid reminded me in the comments, Paul suggested to Rachel that the discussion could be turned on its head by saying that Rachel's line of thinking made it possible for the federal government to mandate that private businesses could not refuse entry to gun carrying people. Because of course, refusing to serve someone because they have a weapon and there might be a public safety issue, is the same as refusing to serve someone because they are black, gay or for some other bias of the owner



UPDATE 3: Thanks to weatherdude in the comments for pointing me to the video. Here's Paul melting down as he tries to explain his very strange position.

video
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/5/19/868057/-Rand-Pauls-meltdown-on-TRMS
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:43 PM
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1. Thank you, KR~
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:03 PM
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9. I bet some of his best friends are black.
:sarcasm:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:18 AM
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17. LOL!
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:46 PM
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2. That was Woolworth's not Walgreens.......n/t
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:47 PM
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3. Yep - he did the kind of loop de loop usually reserved for SPAD biplanes
and sopwith camels.....

The occasional Fokker triplane.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:59 AM
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27. Dude. You're bringin' it old school.
Sopwith.


Oh ... SNAP!
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 10:58 AM
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32. 'Cause that's how I (barrel) roll....
:rofl:
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FarPoint Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:51 PM
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4. I heard his response on NPR Radio today around 4 pm with
some male host doing the interview....Maybe that is where the stone was unturned.....
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endthedrill Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:53 PM
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5. Looks like his 15 minutes of teabagger fame are now up
:rofl:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:53 PM
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6. I saw that..and was appalled..and then started laughing when I realized howmuch Rand looked and
Edited on Wed May-19-10 10:56 PM by BrklynLiberal
sounded just like Henry Gibson!!!

Here is an appropriate image of Gibson. I think this is from The Blues Brothers
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NDcTbOyfDBE/Sre1WHRhQZI/AAAAAAAAAWM/ZPh49rtIOnc/s400/170_gibson,_henry5.jpg

Ayn Rand Paul
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:58 PM
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7. "I hate Illinois Nazis"
Jake Blues.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:59 PM
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8. One of the greatest movies ever made...along with "Canadian Bacon"
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Hoosier Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:11 PM
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10. LOL
"...you don't like it?"
-- Elwood Blues
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:20 AM
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18. Great catch!
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:17 PM
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11. I watched it a little while ago. He simply would not answer one simple question.
He's a really confused little twerp.
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wizstars Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:37 AM
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22. He kept saying he was opposed to "institutional racism"--implying private racism is OK
"confused little twerp"? No.
Useless bag of sh1t? Emphatic YES.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:40 AM
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23. +1 n/t
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 10:11 AM
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31. Not even implying.
Edited on Thu May-20-10 10:23 AM by wtmusic
He was fairly clear that the Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act should be scrapped.

Let's carry that to its logical conclusion:

Woolworth's can have a "Whites Only" section at their lunch counter.
Employers can not only legally refuse to hire blacks, or Latinos...they can refuse to hire people who are interracially married, Jews, women, and the elderly.
Real estate agents can legally refuse to sell real estate to minorities.
Women can legally be subjected to sexual innuendo and propositioning in the workplace, even to the point of making their job dependent on it.

If someone had told me in 1970 that in 2010 these issues would again be on the public stage I would have laughed at them.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 02:22 PM
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34. They'd also be run out of business
You think the organizing in the 60s was powerful and effective, the interconnectivity of people across the country with the variety of mediums that now exist would be vastly superior.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:20 PM
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12. He didn't melt down, and his position isn't strange.
It's good ol' boy racism in a PC mask. MLK is turning over...
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:22 AM
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19. Exactly.
He is a stealth racist. Once they are tagged with the racist label their credibility is gone. So, they must try to hide their racism while still appealing to racist supporters.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 09:02 AM
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28. +1
The south is still fighting the civil war by twisting it to be a conflict about states rights - i.e. a constitutional crisis where the south was standing up for the little man - puhlease.

So of course the rascist (south and north) are lining up to jump on the rascist train called teabagging.
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thelordofhell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:40 PM
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13. This is the same denial that caused the financial collapse
Mr. Paul couldn't possibly think that companies would be racist again if you took away Title VII just like republicans thought banks wouldn't go apeshit in the hole again if you repealed the Glass/Steagall Act. I guess the Rand doesn't fall too far from the Ayn.

:freak: :dunce:
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:59 PM
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14. Gonna be hard to win that seat if he keeps insisting on telling people what he really believes. n/t
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JeffersonChick Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 01:33 AM
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15. How is carrying a gun the same as being black?
Paul suggested to Rachel that the discussion could be turned on its head by saying that Rachel's line of thinking made it possible for the federal government to mandate that private businesses could not refuse entry to gun carrying people.


That he even used this as an analogy just reveals his lack of logic. Carrying a gun is a choice, the color of one's skin is not.

As a passionate fan and admirer of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., I took serious offense and am furious over Paul's claim that if he were around back then, he would have marched right along MLK.

I hope that both liberal and conservative media rip him to shreds. Or, maybe give him a good old fashioned lynching.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:43 AM
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24. Couldn't agree more and WELCOME to DU! n/t
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 09:36 AM
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30. Welcome to the DU.
You couldn't be more right.

Paul would have been at the civil right demonstrations. Of course he would have been on the holding end of a fire hose or leash for a police dog.
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agentS Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 01:55 AM
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16. This is what happens when you elect WACKOS!
Eventually the crazy comes out and boy it ain't pretty when it does.

In the end, I betcha these are the true thoughts of the Tea Party folks. They want to TURN BACK THE CLOCK on everything accomplished since the end of the Civil War.

These folks are as much a threat to America as the Taliban.

This guy is final nail in the coffin of the Tea-Party-is-not-racist argument. Because, lo and behold, making it easier for businesses to discriminate is what they want. More pollution, more death, more eugenics, what more could an Angry White Male ask for?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:27 AM
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20. Oh yeah. It's straight Teabagger all the way.
They don't want to admit it. They don't want to be known as bigots and racists. They try their best to hide it but it does not change the facts.
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Ranting_Wacko Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:31 AM
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21. Uh-huh. Racist nutter, just like his daddy. -NT-
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:53 AM
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25. It's legit for gov't to prohibit BOTH discrimination AND guns in public on private property.
The gun argument does not negate the discrimination argument. Both are perfectly reasonable functions of government, in setting limits on behavior... just like laws against murder, theft, etc. Those crimes are not allowable on private property either.

These libertarians seem to think that all laws are inapplicable on property they own -- as if a land deed conveys to them a midieval warlord fiefdom, where they are "a law unto themselves" regardless of anyone else's rights. That's just preposterous.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:31 AM
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26. His candidacy will be fascinating
His closet is so full of skeletons he can't fit a broom in there. But it's KY so he will surely win. Another step toward the 2nd Civil War? OTOH he's pro-choice, anti-imperialism. Interesting.
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mercuryblues Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 09:28 AM
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29. R.P's values are for sale.
From Rand Paul's website:

I am 100% pro life. I believe abortion is taking the life of an innocent human being.
I believe life begins at conception and it is the duty of our government to protect this life.
I will always vote for any and all legislation that would end abortion or lead us in the direction of ending abortion.
I believe in a Human Life Amendment and a Life at Conception Act as federal solutions to the abortion issue. I also believe that while we are working toward this goal, there are many other things we can accomplish in the near term.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 11:28 AM
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33. Actually Woolworth's. She corrected her mistake later in the interview
<Rachel pointed to the concrete example of Walgreens refusing to serve blacks at lunch counters back in the 60s, yet Paul stuck to his guns.>
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 10:29 PM
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35. I didn't hear the correction but I did hear
her repeat "Walgreen's" a second time.

Then I heard this AM Stephanie Miller repeat it as "Walgreen's" because Rachel said it.
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