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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 04:47 PM
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Why taxing health care plans is a terrible idea
Why Taxing Health Care Plans is a Terrible Idea
The Myth of "Cadillac" Health Plans
By BILL SALGANIK
January 12, 2010

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The myth of rich-benefit “Cadillac” plans is the first flaw in the theory. By 2019 the benefits tax would hit one-fifth of households making between $50,000 and $75,000 a year, according to figures from the Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation. The tax would pose a heavy burden on working families.

Studies by the Economic Policy Institute and for the policy journal Health Affairs show that plans with big premiums don't necessarily have big benefits.
Rather, high premiums go with an older workforce (like Diamond, a 40-year employee), because older people use more medical services. Smaller employers are also more likely to be affected; they pay, on average, 18 percent more than large employers for the same benefits, according to the White House Council of Economic Advisers. And health costs also tend to be higher for women, so work groups that have large female representation—such as teachers, nurses and telephone call center employees—are more likely to be taxed.

Diamond is also more likely to be hit by the tax because of where she lives. An average family policy in Miami costs more than $20,000 a year—meaning the average policy comes close to the “Cadillac” definition in the Senate's legislation—while a policy with the same benefits in Phoenix costs less than $15,000, according to the actuarial consulting company Milliman. The difference has nothing to do with “Cadillac” benefits. It’s a function of prices and medical practice styles in the different markets.

Betty Diamond’s coverage, negotiated by the Communications Workers with AT&T, is good, but hardly lavish. She had to pay hundreds of dollars out of pocket a few years ago when she had cancer surgery. And she pays nearly $1,000 a year out of pocket for prescriptions; her cancer exams also turned up a hereditary problem with her lungs, which requires her to take medicine to avoid dangerous blood clots. She goes for regular checkups to her oncologist to make sure the cancer is still in check, with a co-payment that's going up this year, from $20 to 10 percent of the charges, under the new CWA contract.

Second, supporters say the tax would hold down health costs by pushing employers into less expensive plans. If there were cheaper plans out there that offered equivalent benefits, opponents counter, employers would already be in them. Instead, the only way employers can make plans less expensive is by cutting benefits—and that's what nearly two-thirds of employers plan to do, according to a survey by Mercer, a benefits consultant. And that means higher co-pays and deductibles.

Ah, say supporters of the tax, if consumers face higher out-of-pocket costs, they’ll cut out unnecessary care and shop for better prices. Studies show that consumers do use less care when they have to pay more, but they cut back on necessary as well as unnecessary treatments.
That can lead to higher costs down the road. For example, one study tracking higher co-pays for office visits and prescriptions found that workers did cut back—but that savings were offset by higher hospital admissions, especially for older workers and those with chronic health problems.
Even with higher co-pays, Diamond says that, having survived cancer twice, she's not about to skip an oncology checkup, never mind pass on needed surgery. Nor should we want a health policy that will force her to.

"Personally, I don't go to the doctor unless I have to," she says. But, mindful of her life-threatening medical conditions, "I tend to do what the doctor tells me."
Third, supporters of the benefits tax also say that people like Diamond don't have to worry about a tax on benefits. Sure, the employers would trim benefits but wages, they say, would go up as health costs came down.

A report from the Economic Policy Institute tracking health costs and wage growth over the past 20 years concluded that isn't so. While there’s some connection between wages and benefit costs, employers are more likely to keep any savings for themselves rather than pass them on to workers, especially in an economy with high unemployment.

Betty Diamond didn’t need a study to tell her that. She’s served on two CWA bargaining committees where her employer fought hard to keep health costs down. And neither time did management offer to pass the savings back to the workers in extra pay hikes. “Absolutely not. Please,” Diamond says—when she stops laughing at the idea.
And while this isn’t a great time for unions in bargaining, at least organized workers have some leverage. “They never give you anything,” Betty Diamond says. “You only get what the union bargains for. And they wouldn't give it to you if the union wasn't there.”


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source--http://pnhp.org/news/2010/january/why-taxing-health-care-plans-is-a-terrible-idea
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 04:55 PM
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1. Exactly all the points I have been trying to illustrate.
This is such a damned insult to the American people.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 04:56 PM
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2. It's a BAD idea, and I'm appalled that some here support it.
I fear this health care 'reform' :eyes: bill is political suicide for Dems...
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:03 PM
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3. They probably support it because they don't even understand their own health care plan
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 02:06 AM
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12. They support it because they bend over backwards
and twist themselves into knots to rationalize ways to support Absolutely Everything Obama proposes as if it was a blessing and/or endorsed by God. If Obama attaches his name to it then it automatically must be 100% great and wonderful, and they will believe and parrot every argument and justification for every policy, no matter how ludicrous.

Their support for taxing the poor and working class to pay for health care is just the latest example. Their support for stocking the government with Goldman Sachs alums and the their support for way the "jobless recovery" was conducted, by concentrating so much of the corporate giveaways and bailouts instead of helping people, are other examples.

Their defenses for the way Obama has treated the LGBT community has been a prime example. Here it is a year into his administration and we are just now hearing the first positive signs that Maybe DADT will really be overturned by congress, and if congress really moves on this Obama will actually support this. After all this time lying to us and throwing us repeatedly under the bus, now that congress is taking the lead Obama will jump in and help, but his supporters will insist that he was taking the lead all along somehow. LGBT people apparently aren't smart enough to tell who is really supporting our equal rights and who is gaming us, but they're happy to enlighten us.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:09 PM
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4. K&R.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:11 PM
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5. Ummmm......
Many folks who are self-employed or unemployed currently use dollars that are partially to fully taxable to pay heatlh insurance premiums (if they are fortunate enough to be able to afford them). I don't hear a whole lot of folks up in arms and complaining about the inequities of that. Never have. Seeing as how I'm one of them - and have been for quite some time - I find it difficult to get too upset about the prospect that someone (or some corporation) might face a similar situation.

:yawn:


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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:29 PM
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6. often for a self-employed person, health insurance premium costs
can be a "business expense". For the unemployed, it absolutely sucks.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:42 PM
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7. Self-employed folks
use dollars that are partially taxable to make those premium payments. Those who have a business association of some sort (partnership, LLC, corporation, etc) may be able to expense the premiums. Sole proprietors cannot.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:44 PM
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8. that's actually not my experience for sole proprietors though, perhaps it varies.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:55 PM
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9. .Google provides the following information
From: http://taxes.about.com/od/deductionscredits/qt/healthinsurance.htm

"If you have self-employment income, then you can take a deduction for health insurance expenses.

Before claiming this tax deduction, you must calculate your allowable health insurance deduction. Take your self-employment income, and subtract the 50% deduction for self-employment taxes, and subtract any retirement contributions you make to SEP-IRA, SIMPLE-IRA, or Keogh plan. The remainder is your allowable deduction for health insurance expenses.


If your self-employment income is from a Schedule C business, and you report a net loss on Form 1040 Line 12, then you are not eligible to deduct your health insurance costs.


You can deduct the full cost of health insurance you purchase for yourself, your spouse, and/or your dependents. However, you cannot deduct any insurance costs for any months you were eligible to participate in a group health insurance plan through your or your spouse's employer. For example, if you paid for 12 months of health insurance coverage for yourself and your family, but you became eligible to participate in your spouse's group health insurance in December, then you can deduct only 11 months worth of insurance premiums."

My experience is that I have always had to use fully taxable dollars to pay my health insurance premiums. That includes about 14 years of buying my own insurance coverage.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:59 PM
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10. good information. Thank you.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 12:33 PM
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14. But that "business expense" is often prohibitively expensive. More than rent. nt
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 12:40 PM
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15. yep, that's true... and a deduction nevertheless...
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 02:18 PM
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18. I don't think people are apathetic to your cause
I think it is not well understood. Posting information as you have in this thread helps build that understanding. The PO was supposed to help the self-employed until it was carved down to nothing. The current bill gives a lot to the ins cos. Individual policies are big money for them. That's where most of their profit is. Is it possible for you to join with other self employed people and leverage a union strength like collective bargaining? As a group, you would spread risk and lower costs. This isn't an ideal solution, obviously it still involves the people that need to be removed from the equation...

but, you might be able to form a Health Care Union yourself and get a lower rate and reduce their profits. Not exactly radical, but it might help a little. In fact if neighborhoods, apartment buildings, artists, taxi drivers, clubs and organizations all sorts of groups bought a group insurance plan and grew their numbers, they might have more bargaining power. Again, it's small compared to what we need but it's something we could do ourselves.

Crushing people with independent entrepreneurial spirit risks our future as a country and job growth. People who are innovative and willing to put themselves out there should not be halted by health care finance.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 06:30 PM
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11. Excellent article, thanks for posting it! KR+3.

:kick:
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 12:22 PM
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13. Rather than tackling the ROOT problem exorbitant COSTS, Obama chosa a MIDDLE CLASS TAX to pay for...
Edited on Wed Jan-13-10 12:35 PM by Faryn Balyncd



....the subsides for the poor.

This is disguised by only the THINNEST of veils: the fact that the so-called "Cadillac" tax will take a few years before EVERY INSURANCE PLAN is taxed under it, & EVERY INSURANCE PREMIUM goes up 40% more just to cover the tax.

What this will evolve into within a very few years is a system where every citizen is mandated to to pay for a bloated, price-gouging system that only a very few can afford, and must then depend on government subsidies to get coverage.

What it intentionally avoids dealing with is the root problem of unaffordable costs, which would have required taking on the vested interests instead of the politically powerless middle class.

By choosing this cowardly route, as advocated by Zeke Emanuel (who got virtually EVERYTHING he advocates excepting his ultimate stated goal of privatizing Medicare itself by requiring that new retirees continue to buy from the cartel, a step that will now be much easier to accomplish under "Medicare reform" now that an all corporate insurance mandate is in place for younger Americans), Obama and Rahm have betrayed the middle class who will be EASY PREY for Republican pseudo-populist demagogues.

Obama's choices in HC "reform" have adversely, perhaps permanetly, recast the Democratic Party as an anti-middle class party that CONFIRMS decades of Republican stereotyping.









:hi:


Thanks for the post.


K and R.



:kick:





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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 12:46 PM
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16. If they were serious about costs and choice they'd get rid of the industry's anti-trust exemption.nt
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 12:55 PM
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17. yes. Thanks. This is the DLC New Dem approach--just do a few
modifications around the edges, don't address the systemic fragmentation, duplication, and structural problems of the dysfunction "system". Sustain and protect business profits against peoples' needs. And call it a "success".

I read on HuffPo this AM that the WH intends to do a major PR campaign after this tunket passes to promote it! Are they slick or what?!?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/13/white-house-dems-planning_n_421532.html


The existence of "subsidies" demonstrates that the premium costs are too high. But, rather than address that, New Dems prop it up.

I too fear for Medicare and SS under Zeke and Rahm.

Progressives need to hang together to distinguish the progressive approaches from the New Dem/corporatist approaches, not to be fooled/taken in (again). Bye-bye middle class, and hello widening distribution of wealth.

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 02:29 PM
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19. I agree that taxing a necessity like affordable access to medical care is a big NO NO.
I wish they would stop treating this issue like car deals...
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 02:39 PM
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20. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, nightrain.
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