Could N. Berg's execution be fake? | Pravda

[ima_sinnic]

05/14/2004 13:35
Given the incomprehensible jungle of information, the very first question, when viewing this video of an American civilian, N. Berg"s execution, should be whether it is even true?
There appear to be a few problems with it, casting doubt on its authenticity. If these questions aren"t answered, one should be wary of the entire matter and be advised not to give in to the patriotic blindness brought on by the emotional charge this video packs.

Consider these inconsistencies with the video before making up your mind:

1) CIA claims it has examined the video and concluded that the hooded figure is Zaqrawi, a high level al-Qaeda operative. However, anyone who has seen the video will attest to the fact that there is no way to identify anyone from it, including the victim. Second, according to an US military report in April "03, Zaqrawi was killed in the bombing of Falluja. CIA does not elaborate whether Zaqrawi has magically sprung back to life or whether the April report was wrong.

2) The US media claimed that Zaqrawi lost a leg in 2001. Now, it says that he did not lose his leg after all. This flip flop seems too coincidental as the purported figure in the video doesn"t appear handicapped. The US does not elaborate on which intelligence is wrong. . . .

http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/397/12790_Berg.html

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Ironically, they don't mention that one of the murderers was heard speaking Russian ...

[smada]

1. Hello?

His body was found minus a head. I'm pretty sure that makes him dead, so no his execution wasn't faked.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. You know...

What was meant. Don't play thick.

[Disturbed]

4. Duh

How was his body minus head so quickly identified and who did the ID?

He could have been killed by leathal injection then beheaded.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

12. Much as I hate to use the term

"Freeper Disruptor," there have been dozens of posts on several threads from people uniformly claiming that it couldn't have been faked because "they found his body without its head -- case closed."

I find it hard to believe that there are so many people who can't draw the obvious inference that the term "faked" means that the the victim might have been killed off-camera and the decapitation staged after his death.

These boards reek of red herring.

That being said, I have no idea if Berg was decapitated live or post mortem.

[smada]

14. Nice retort

I point out the obvious and you call me "Freeper Disruptor". That's mature.

[smada]

15. Yes, I know what was meant in the original post

But my response was my sarcastic way of pointing out that maybe he/she should say the "video" was faked. Quite obviously, the execution wasn't faked.

[0007]

26. Many plants, sprinkled with freepers here and there to make

plants grown tall and big. Just the way junior loves 'em, 'eh?

[H2O Man]

2. The "true" identity of the masked men....

...has nothing to do with if the film is "real." Clearly, there is much more to the story than any of us know at this time. That is specifically who the masked men are, and why they killed this fellow. But the film is indeed real.

[rooboy]

7. Come on, you have no proof that the film is real at all. n/t

[H2O Man]

13. Some people say

that there is "no proof" that people landed on the moon. Were those films faked? Is Elvis alive? It's true that I wasn't at the execution; on the moon; or with Elvis when he died. Yet this kid's family seems a pretty reliable source of information. They know that the boy was killed, and had his head cut off.
Perhaps it is more understandable when put into the context of human behavior in war times. Cutting off an "enemies' head" is more common than many might realize. It has happened for thousands of years, and always -ALWAYS- for the exact same purpose.
I agree with everyone who believes there is something else very significant going on with this .... there are connections between those involved in the shadows that we are yet to learn. I believe that this boy's father is heroic for placing the blame at bush and rumsfeld's feet. And I think that is consistent with believing the film is real. I'm curious if those who think it is a "fake" have watched the entire film?

[CWebster]

16. So, you are all set to embrace your governments lies

at this stage in the game, without question when their are so many lies and discredited claims already around this story and the specifics of the film?

[H2O Man]

17. I'm surprised you are such a

strong supporter of Ross Perot. Now, isn't that silly? Clealy, there is no more reason for me to pretend that you support Ross Perot, than for you to pretend that I embrace your president's lies. Please do not resort to silly tactics. I'll be happy to discuss this in a rational manner. To do so, you would need to admit that what I said does not in any way imply that I support your government's version of reality.

[CWebster]

19. Yes it does.

What else are you defending other than the fine apparel when there is obviously not a stitch of covering in sight.

Yes, the man is probably dead. Beginning and ending of probable truth.

[H2O Man]

22. I do not have to "defend"

anything. You seem to be trying to use some fancy words to disguise the fact that you are not able to build a serious foundation for whatever stance you are intent on defending. It would seem that we agree that (1) we do not believe the bush administration; (2) we do not believe Fox News in all of their manifest forms; (3) we believe the true story of who killed this boy -- and why -- are not known at this time; and (4) I hope you agree the boy's father is ballsy for laying the blame at bush and rumsfeld's feet. We disagree on (1) the film that purports to show the execution. Until you can answer #3 of the "agreed" section, it is pretty weak to take a strong stance on the film being a fake. And your fancy little phrase doesn't disguise that.

[rooboy]

18. Has it ever occurred to you...

that the guy could have had his head cut off AFTER he was killed? Or that the video was made to explain the existence of a decapitated body?

One of the most common psyops tools is to make a movie so that people believe your version of events. After 3 1/2 years of the most secretive, dishonest US administration in history, I'm staggered that anybody believes what they're told. It's sheer foolishness.

[H2O Man]

21. Just for the sake of discussion....

...I'll name a famous film the government didn't want us to see: the Abraham Zapruder film from Dallas on 11-22-63. It shows very clearly at least one shot from in front, to the left. Now, to back up your claim of "common psyops tools" name a comparable film?
Listen: I would not believe the Fox News weather report. I worked for decades as a psychiatric social worker in forensics, and when I see men like bush, cheney, and rumsfeld, believe me that I am LESS LIKELY to believe ANYTHING they say than is 99.999999% of the population. I know how to spot a liar.
I said that I think there is much more to the story than we are now aware of --the identity of the killers, the relationship between the various forces involved, and WHY he was murdered. Yet to go to the point of believing that the kid was killed, his head cut off, then sewed or glued back on to make this video, is really weak.

[CWebster]

9. I would question that

It looks amateurish to me. There is something not right, something unnatural about the entire presentation - as if the entire thing was collaged together. Watch the focused and deliberted blurring of details- (and the strange movement of Berg's mouth...his mouth moves but the rest of his face does not--too artificial) that is inconsistant with the clarity of the entire frame.It does not take a trained eye to immediately sense that something is wrong---something is fishy.

[robbedvoter]

5. October surprise is Zaqawui, not OBL?

Just a guess. Good luck with that one....

[CWebster]

6. Why the mask

if Zaqrawi was boldly identifying himself? Also heard earlier conclusions that the voice was not Zaqrawi's and the accents are wrong, closer to non-native arabic speakers.

The whole thing is such a sham.

[Karenina]

8. Government lies

are like rat droppings in clear soup. Revolting and obvious.

[DarkPhenyx]

10. PLus, to my knowledge...

...al'Queda members have never appeared masked or otherwise obscured in any video coverage. They aren't exactly hiding and are proud to be who they are.

[kcwayne]

20. That's incorrect

There was the video played repeatedly by the media of the terrorist training camps in Afghanistan that showed masked men doing training exercises. Your value as a terrorist is reduced if you are recognized and not allowed to cross checkpoints (such as in Isreal, or US customs when they are awake) so that you can plant bombs.

[DarkPhenyx]

23. But not for something like this.

When they "make a display" I have never seen them masked or otherwise obscured.

[Spentastic]

11. I really don't understand the confusion about this

The man in question may have changed his appearance since the CIA or whoever last good a good view of him. Why on earth would he allow them an easy opportunity to get more info?

There are plenty of precedents for "masked man believed to be" etc etc.

In the days of UAV's perhaps Al Q have learned a valuable lesson.

[jmcgowanjm]

24. Not 1 piece of evidence linking hijackers to 911planes

Many researchers claim the name al-Qaeda was made up
in middle ‘90s by a variety of American functionaries (one
of them being none other than Richard Clarke) as an all-
purpose villain the U.S. could blame as a convenient reason
for its military adventurism. And a group of Israeli
provocateurs was recently discovered trying to create their
own faux version of al-Qaeda.

.... two things: that the list of 19 names was a
total fabrication, and that the worldwide terror network
called al-Qaeda is also a total fabrication, the wet
dream brainchild of the CIA and the Mossad to be trotted out
as an excuse for a whole string of terror attacks — Madrid,
Bali, Riyadh, Istanbul, etc. — that were really carried out by
the CIA and the Mossad themselves, cleverly
involving designated patsies to give the operations a
suitably foreign flavor.

Al-Qaeda does not exist except as a bogeyman invented
by Western powers to justify their evil agenda. There were
no hijackers flying those planes on 9/11. And honest FBI
agents have been prevented from publicizing that fact.

http://www.johnkaminski.com/fatalflaw.htm

And the odds of Mussaoui using Berg's email account...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119896,00.html

[jmcgowanjm]

25. You can't make this up

Thanx to Xymphora-

However, details of Berg’s stay in Iraq remain unclear,
including the time and place of his abduction.

US officials said that Iraqi police arrested Berg in Mosul
on March 24 because they believed he may have been
involved in “suspicious activities”.

In Mosul, police chief Major General Mohammed
Khair al-Barhawi insisted that his department had never
arrested Berg and maintained he had no knowledge of the
case.

“The Iraqi police never arrested the slain American,” al-
Barhawi told reporters. “Take it from me ... that such reports
are baseless.”

After his release, Berg travelled to Baghdad and checked into
the Fanar Hotel. An acquaintance quoted Berg as saying he
had been arrested by Iraqi police in Mosul because he had
an Israeli entry stamp in his passport.

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