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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:01 AM
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Michael Moore: An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 10:01 AM by Hestia
An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore

Monday, November 30th, 2009

Dear President Obama,

Do you really want to be the new "war president"? If you go to West Point tomorrow night (Tuesday, 8pm) and announce that you are increasing, rather than withdrawing, the troops in Afghanistan, you are the new war president. Pure and simple. And with that you will do the worst possible thing you could do -- destroy the hopes and dreams so many millions have placed in you. With just one speech tomorrow night you will turn a multitude of young people who were the backbone of your campaign into disillusioned cynics. You will teach them what they've always heard is true -- that all politicians are alike. I simply can't believe you're about to do what they say you are going to do. Please say it isn't so.

It is not your job to do what the generals tell you to do. We are a civilian-run government. WE tell the Joint Chiefs what to do, not the other way around. That's the way General Washington insisted it must be. That's what President Truman told General MacArthur when MacArthur wanted to invade China. "You're fired!," said Truman, and that was that. And you should have fired Gen. McChrystal when he went to the press to preempt you, telling the press what YOU had to do. Let me be blunt: We love our kids in the armed services, but we f*#&in' hate these generals, from Westmoreland in Vietnam to, yes, even Colin Powell for lying to the UN with his made-up drawings of WMD (he has since sought redemption).

So now you feel backed into a corner. 30 years ago this past Thursday (Thanksgiving) the Soviet generals had a cool idea -- "Let's invade Afghanistan!" Well, that turned out to be the final nail in the USSR coffin.

There's a reason they don't call Afghanistan the "Garden State" (though they probably should, seeing how the corrupt President Karzai, whom we back, has his brother in the heroin trade raising poppies). Afghanistan's nickname is the "Graveyard of Empires." If you don't believe it, give the British a call. I'd have you call Genghis Khan but I lost his number. I do have Gorbachev's number though. It's + 41 22 789 1662. I'm sure he could give you an earful about the historic blunder you're about to commit.

With our economic collapse still in full swing and our precious young men and women being sacrificed on the altar of arrogance and greed, the breakdown of this great civilization we call America will head, full throttle, into oblivion if you become the "war president." Empires never think the end is near, until the end is here. Empires think that more evil will force the heathens to toe the line -- and yet it never works. The heathens usually tear them to shreds.

Choose carefully, President Obama. You of all people know that it doesn't have to be this way. You still have a few hours to listen to your heart, and your own clear thinking. You know that nothing good can come from sending more troops halfway around the world to a place neither you nor they understand, to achieve an objective that neither you nor they understand, in a country that does not want us there. You can feel it in your bones.

I know you know that there are LESS than a hundred al-Qaeda left in Afghanistan! A hundred thousand troops trying to crush a hundred guys living in caves? Are you serious? Have you drunk Bush's Kool-Aid? I refuse to believe it.

Your potential decision to expand the war (while saying that you're doing it so you can "end the war") will do more to set your legacy in stone than any of the great things you've said and done in your first year. One more throwing a bone from you to the Republicans and the coalition of the hopeful and the hopeless may be gone -- and this nation will be back in the hands of the haters quicker than you can shout "tea bag!"

Choose carefully, Mr. President. Your corporate backers are going to abandon you as soon as it is clear you are a one-term president and that the nation will be safely back in the hands of the usual idiots who do their bidding. That could be Wednesday morning.

We the people still love you. We the people still have a sliver of hope. But we the people can't take it anymore. We can't take your caving in, over and over, when we elected you by a big, wide margin of millions to get in there and get the job done. What part of "landslide victory" don't you understand?

Don't be deceived into thinking that sending a few more troops into Afghanistan will make a difference, or earn you the respect of the haters. They will not stop until this country is torn asunder and every last dollar is extracted from the poor and soon-to-be poor. You could send a million troops over there and the crazy Right still wouldn't be happy. You would still be the victim of their incessant venom on hate radio and television because no matter what you do, you can't change the one thing about yourself that sends them over the edge.

The haters were not the ones who elected you, and they can't be won over by abandoning the rest of us.

President Obama, it's time to come home. Ask your neighbors in Chicago and the parents of the young men and women doing the fighting and dying if they want more billions and more troops sent to Afghanistan. Do you think they will say, "No, we don't need health care, we don't need jobs, we don't need homes. You go on ahead, Mr. President, and send our wealth and our sons and daughters overseas, 'cause we don't need them, either."

What would Martin Luther King, Jr. do? What would your grandmother do? Not send more poor people to kill other poor people who pose no threat to them, that's what they'd do. Not spend billions and trillions to wage war while American children are sleeping on the streets and standing in bread lines.

All of us that voted and prayed for you and cried the night of your victory have endured an Orwellian hell of eight years of crimes committed in our name: torture, rendition, suspension of the bill of rights, invading nations who had not attacked us, blowing up neighborhoods that Saddam "might" be in (but never was), slaughtering wedding parties in Afghanistan. We watched as hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians were slaughtered and tens of thousands of our brave young men and women were killed, maimed, or endured mental anguish -- the full terror of which we scarcely know.

When we elected you we didn't expect miracles. We didn't even expect much change. But we expected some. We thought you would stop the madness. Stop the killing. Stop the insane idea that men with guns can reorganize a nation that doesn't even function as a nation and never, ever has.

Stop, stop, stop! For the sake of the lives of young Americans and Afghan civilians, stop. For the sake of your presidency, hope, and the future of our nation, stop. For God's sake, stop.

Tonight we still have hope.

Tomorrow, we shall see. The ball is in your court. You DON'T have to do this. You can be a profile in courage. You can be your mother's son.

We're counting on you.

Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com

P.S. There's still time to have your voice heard. Call the White House at 202-456-1111 or email the President.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:24 AM
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1. "The haters were not the ones who elected you, and they can't be won over by abandoning
the rest of us".

Well said, Michael.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:57 AM
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2. Thank you, Michael Moore!
Are we a republic, a nation of laws, or are we a warmongering empire-wannabe?
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:09 AM
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3. Obama is not betraying anybody no matter what.
Obama ran on defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan, and once upon a time the world community supported this goal. I do not think he is betraying anybody if he decides to "finish the job". But arguably this effort was lost when Bush invaded Iraq, and the world is no longer behind us. Also, while politics should not decide this, if he pulls out totally I think he would get hammered for abandoning the war effort and might end up a one-term president. And do we really want a Pres. Romney or Palin?
It is, simply put, a horrible mess. It shouldn't be simplified.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:10 PM
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7. I remember Obama running as the ANTI-WAR candidate just because he called Afghanistan"the right war"
does not give him leave to escalate another undeclared illegal occupation.

If we are at war where is the Congressional declaration of war?
What exactly do we hope to accomplish and what has to happen before we can withdraw?
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:35 PM
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9. I believe the constitutionality of the war in Afghanistan is pretty established
with Congressional approval, etc.

The goal is the destruction of the Taliban/Al Queda so they cannot wreak havoc in the USA or the world again.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:39 PM
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10. jr's resolution is not a DECLARATION OF WAR. Please provide me with a link to CONGRESSES' DOW
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:50 PM
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11. I believe constitutional scholars have said the Congressional approval was the equivalent to DOW nt
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:09 PM
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12. I believe constitutional scholars have said jr could torture and render the constitution mute too.
What matters is what the Constitution says.
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:17 PM
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14. false comparison. few argue that there is a DOW missing
and many many proved that the torture etc was constitutionally unsound
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:24 PM
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15. Ok what are we there FOR? What concrete things must we accomplish before we can leave? What is the
PLAN?
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:46 PM
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18. plan is to eliminate the Taliban/Al Queda as a terrorist force that wreaks havoc in the world
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:14 AM
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26. And occupying Afghanistan, where they barely exist, helps with this how?
:shrug:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:01 PM
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16. he ran as the anti IRAQ war candidate
many people weren't paying attention, and didn't notice the difference. his "fierce" support of the "good war" afghanistan CLEARLY showed he was not an anti-war candidate.

kucinch, yes. obama - not even close
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:43 PM
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13. He's not interested in defeating the Taliban - he's looking to make deals with them
supposedly, we're in Afghanistan to defeat Al Qeada and capture Bin Laden (who has probably been dead for years). If the troops we have over there now couldn't do it in 8 years, I doubt another 34,000 will help.


Toronto Star: Embracing the Taliban

http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/731403--emb...
...White House and U.S. military sources have signalled for weeks that part of the way forward will be a redefinition of the Taliban as perhaps not so bad after all. Or not so very much worse, at least, than the corruption-plagued regime that has metastasized beneath Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

"We believe our strategic problem with the Taliban begins and ends with their support for al Qaeda and their aggression against the United States and our allies," a U.S. official in Kabul told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "If the Taliban made clear that they have broken with al Qaeda and that their own objectives were nonviolent and political – however abhorrent to us – we wouldn't be keeping 68,000-plus troops here."...

...And quietly, in an echo of what turned the tide in Iraq, the U.S. appears to be readying a push toward winning Afghanistan valley by valley with offers of cash for local Afghan militia leaders willing to come onside the renewed U.S. effort. The program, reportedly led by U.S. Special Forces, could see as much as $1.3 billion made available to bring Afghan militias into a stand against anti-government guerrillas.


I sure hope the $1.3 billion in bribes is "deficit neutral".

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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:48 PM
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19. however the world neutralizes the Taliban will be a good thing
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:14 AM
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25. no matter what he does
says it all
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:17 AM
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4. We need to help people here
and stop attempting to build nations over there. It is a futile effort. I wrote to my reps and the whitehouse yesterday urging them to spend our money and effort here starting a jobs program to help the millions losing jobs, healthcare and homes rather than pursue an expensive war effort abroad. I also suggested they open up medicare now as an emergency measure to help those losing their healthcare through job loss since healthcare reform would not assist those desperately in need for years to come.

Anyway, Micheal Moore is right. We need to voice our opinion for whatever it is worth. So please write, fax, call.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:20 AM
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5. What Obama Should Say in Response to Michael Moore
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/30/809130/-An-Open-Letter-to-Michael-Moore-from-President-Obama

The link is a well written piece where the author recommends what Obama should write in response to Michael Moore's letter. For anyone who doesn't get it, the link was not actually written by Obama.
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icee2 Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:33 AM
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6. Does DKos still claim to be somewhat a liberal site? nt
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:33 PM
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8. It is a sound argument. nt
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:05 PM
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17. My response to the fantasy letter from the President.
Clicking your heels together three times while repeating,

"I am not a corporate shill"
"I am not a corporate shill"
"I am not a corporate shill"

Will not make it so.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:01 PM
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20. Is that really Gorbachev's phone #
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seeinfweggos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:43 PM
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23. what i was wondering
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United States First Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:07 PM
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21. Great Letter Mr. Moore
I hope this president doesn't do what the previous one did and get bogged down in the war trenches while the rest of our country goes to hell in a hand basket. We all need a positive momentum and here is the new president's chance to take the high road.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:46 PM
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22. It is a great letter!
K&R

:kick:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:03 PM
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24. Taking on this "war" will probably insure a Repuke congress in 2011
and a repuke prez in 2013. As Moore points out, this move will hand the country over to the Palin/Boner/Beck faction.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:27 AM
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27. LBJ let the generals do the same to him, destroying the legacy of one
of our greatest Presidents.

Take out Vietnam, and you get civil rights, voting acts, Head Start, and many other terrific achievements.

But the war overshadowed everything. Just like this is about to.

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