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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 02:48 PM
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Obama-haters are perverting Christianity
Obama-haters are perverting Christianity
Friday, November 20, 2009
By Tony Norman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Forty-six years ago this weekend, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated as he rode in his motorcade in Dallas.

Lee Harvey Oswald, the gunman captured and charged with the murder of the 35th president, appeared motivated by obscure political grievances.

Oswald didn't live long enough to explain his reasons in open court. He was murdered by a man with big-time mob ties and more obscure reasons two days later.

Jack Ruby, Oswald's killer, died in prison years later, but his motives for killing the man who murdered the president remain cloaked in mystery and speculation to this day.

Still, of all the unanswered questions swirling around the murder of an American president on an unbearably sad weekend 46 years ago, few people -- even the most conspiratorially minded -- think religion was a triggering agent.

Even the most hard-core, gun-toting Protestant of the most militant backwoods church wouldn't have nursed a big enough grudge against the only Catholic president of the United States to kill him.

The fervent anti-Communism and right-wing paranoia of the early 1960s had yet to produce the kind of "Christians" who could pray for the president's death and call it a religious duty with a straight face.

But after four decades of culture wars, mounting frustration with pluralism and a realization that a constitutional theocracy isn't likely in America, some "believers" are allowing their inner Satan to call the shots.

Two generations after Kennedy was assassinated, there are so-called "Christians" who preach the murder of President Barack Obama from the pulpit.

Earlier this year, the Rev. Wiley Drake of the First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park, Calif., instructed his followers to pray for Obama's death. Presidential candidate Alan Keyes' former running mate called down curses on Mr. Obama, based on prayers of vengeance from the Psalms.

In Tempe, Ariz., Pastor Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church called for Mr. Obama's death on the eve of his visit to Phoenix earlier this year.

One of Pastor Anderson's followers attended an Obama speech the next day with an assault weapon he is legally licensed to carry in the open.

For Christians who eschew such violent drama, but want to express their approval of the sentiment, T-shirts with a sly reference to Old Testament scripture make the same point without attracting the attention of the Secret Service.

Don't be surprised if you see a so-called believer known for hating the president wearing a T-shirt with a pair of hands folded in prayer above the legend: "Pray for Obama -- Psalm 109:8." Contrary to what you might think, this person has not had a "Road to Damascus" experience.

A quick review of the verse leaves no doubt about what the person means: "Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow." This follows "Let his days be few; Let another take his office."

How cute -- a veiled death threat that is also a prayer that the wretch under the curse loses his job, too.

There are several other verses in the Psalm that aren't fit for Christmas cards, either:

"Let his children wander about and beg; And let them seek sustenance far from their ruined homes."

Several verses later, there's this gem: "Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the Lord. And do not let the sin of his mother be blotted out. Let them be before the Lord continually, that He may cut off their memory from the earth."

God forbid that a plot against the president ever comes to fruition. In the event that it does, chances are it won't be the handiwork of al-Qaida. It is just as likely to be the work of some murderous thug who calls himself a spirit-filled Christian.

As someone who considers himself a Christian, I have no illusions about my co-religionists' capacity for evil. Western history is driven by the work of those committed to turning the Sermon on the Mount on its head in the name of the God they claim to worship.

Maybe John 8:44 on their shirts would be more spiritually appropriate: "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09324/1014951-153.stm#ixzz0XWcry4K7
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 02:56 PM
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1. Christianity is a perversion of Judaism
I cannot imagine the real Jesus ever proclaiming himself a god. The promised Messiah, which was only a myth, was supposed to be another man. The "Son of God" was one of the honorific titles bestowed on Israel's kings. It never implied divinity.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 03:23 PM
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3. True, that is why Jesus title is son of man. Jesus is the fulfilment of many old test.
rituals. He was the scapegoat. He was the lamb that is taken into the family home. And loved. Then slaughtered. In front of the family. Jesus was a radical feminist. He was for nationalized medicine. Jesus didnt hate foreigners. Jesus didnt do ANY of the fucked up things teabagger hypocrites do. Jesus wasnt for enforcing democracy by bombs. Jesus didnt like judgmentalism. Or Cstreet elitism. Or skull and bones ceremonies.

The palinfucks have made religion particularly heinous. Just the witchdoctor alone should make her a laughing stock. 6000 year earth litmus tests, Christian soldier assassination of legal acting citizens. It is no wonder that many hate religion. So do I. But, to be fair, Palinfucks are a cult.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:41 PM
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23. May God
forgive you,there will come a time,we don't know the day or night,but sir you're fall on your knees and ask for foergiviness.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 03:08 PM
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24. BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!!!
:rofl:

hey, psyhicsassy, can you give me the lotto numbers while you're making predictions?

that reply has to be the biggest steaming load of uppity self-righteous bullshit i have ever read on this board.



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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:27 PM
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25. Are you speaking of the same GAWD that sat on his holy ass and did nothing during the Holocaust?
That's some sorry ass supreme being!
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:09 PM
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28. no shit, right?
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 03:04 PM
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2. In honesty, I cannot agree
Christianity is a perverse ideology full of anger and hate; from the creation story to god cruelly torturing his only son.










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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 04:34 AM
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15. It is the thinking of Paul, not the truth about Jesus. Jesus never
considered himself a god.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 10:57 AM
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16. Son of a god
is as close to a god you can get.








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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:03 AM
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17. Son of a god was one of the titles for Israelite kings
just as Supreme Pontiff was one of the titles of Roman emperors.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 01:09 PM
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18. Could be
But Jesus called himself the Son Of God.

Something different. He spoke about his Father in Heaven, and he did not mean a Roman emperor.




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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 03:14 AM
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19. unless of course you never said it but someone else did forty years
after you died.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 08:30 AM
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21. He said it
The truth is that Jesus himself said that He was the Son of God: "Then they all said, 'Are You then the Son of God?' So He said to them, 'You rightly say that I am." (Lk. 22:70 NKJ).

"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (Jn. 3:18 NKJ).

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:30 PM
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26. Is there a YouTube video of this momentous pronouncement?
Or is this another bullshit concoction of the Roman Church that gave the world the Nicene Creed as it persecuted the original Christians known as the Gnostics.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 03:27 PM
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4. That isn't a perversion of Christianity.
It *is* Christianity.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 03:28 PM
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5. "Fundemoniacs" would seem a more apt description for them than
Edited on Sat Nov-21-09 03:30 PM by Joe Chi Minh
"fundamentalists".
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 03:59 PM
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6. Sorry, but it is Christianity
Edited on Sat Nov-21-09 04:00 PM by Bluenorthwest
And the intense hatred and public displays of bigotry did not start with Obama, the Christian world has harbored and held the coats for these self same people for decades as they attacked gay people and assaulted the autonomy of women. Oh, now they pick on someone you care about, so suddenly, they've crossed the line, while harassing funerals with 'God Hates Fags' signs and was apparently acceptable to this world of 'real Christians'. If you the 'real ones' did not agree with the hate and venom and violence done in your names for so long, why were you silent? If your faith is perverted, it is you who allowed that to be.
Obama himself employed hate preachers of the most extreme sort, always focused against gay people, on his campaign for the nomination. When we complained, he said the hate preachers are 'good, decent and moral people'. That we must welcome them to our table. Does not the faith of Obama teach that one reaps what one sews? Did he not employ speakers of hate to attract votes, did he not turn a deaf ear to the voices raised against that injustice, only to continue to employ even more of the sort of clergy that speaks against minorities they do not like?
So I do not really understand the basis of this complaint. Those who employ religious hate rhetoric against others are upset when it is turned against themselves? While claiming a faith that teaches you reap what you sew? I'm following this?
From my point of view, these right wing haters look the same as the McClurkins and Warrens and Tim Kaines of the religious left. Their objective in relation to me and my house is the same. They reasons they spout are the same. I really find it hard to weep when mud slingers get muddy trousers.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 04:08 PM
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7. K&R
The reason mainstream Christianity has not opposed their more radical brethren is because they share the same prejudices.

Any religion that proclaims itself as the "one true" church or faith, is by definition intolerant.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 04:41 PM
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9. And now they are becoming uncomfortable with what that
brings. This is actually a step in the right direction if they really apply the lesson. This is why I go out of my way to mock this 'they are not the real ones, we are' routine. They claimed Donnie McClurkin when he declared war against millions of their neighbors, put him in places of greatness. Obama himself did so. They have glorified many speakers of hate. They have tolerated many, many more. This is why I have always objected to the use of religiously divisive rhetoric in our politics. It is just not good. Not by one Party and not by the other one either.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 04:34 PM
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8. Seriously?
>"If your faith is perverted, it is you who allowed that to be."

Do you also blame regular, everyday Muslims for "allowing" their faith to be perverted by al-Qaida and other groups?


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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 05:04 PM
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10. I'm just saying they need to tend to their own.
And that they have allowed others to bear the brunt of this nastiness for a long time. And I am not talking about the 'normal' folks, but the religious political voices and Obama supporters and Obama himself because of their actual use of actual hate preachers at actual campaign events, and because of their own stated reasons for and defenses of these speakers of hate. That is not rank and file church goers, my friend, that is people who employed with intention those who speak horrible slanders against my community.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 06:02 PM
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12. Decades?
The deep-seeded hatred in the Christian church has been around virtually since its inception. The only thing that has changed is who it's directed against. Jews, heretics, unbelievers, Protestants, Catholics, Roman, Orthodox, blacks, gays, women...the hate remains, even though the enemies change, because no cult can survive without them.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 05:31 PM
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11. Religion is a handy way to mask hatred and insanity.
The liberals are complicit because they support the framework that allows it.

--imm
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mrbarber Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 06:50 PM
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13. Religion is also a way to encourage charity and peace.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 07:14 PM
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14. Don't forget BINGO!
Edited on Sat Nov-21-09 07:19 PM by immoderate
Edit to de-snark: Charity and peace are rational behaviors and don't need to be masked. Normal humans appreciate them before they can even understand religion. Because of it's reliance on irrationality, religion provides a haven for the insanity.

--imm
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 08:19 AM
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20. As a Christian.. I will be the first to say.. lots of horrid things are done in the name of my
religion.

I have no problem pointing them out either.

The bastardization of any religion for political gain has been an errant artform since the cave dwellers and throwing people off the cliffs to promote the fall harvest.

Great Op Hope..
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Tsar_Bomba Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 08:43 AM
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22. The problem is religion itself
Do you want a better and more peaceful world? Get rid if religion. Plus stop being an apologist for a cult that has been murdering, torturing and controlling for 2000 years.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:33 PM
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27. Men won't be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest
according to many, that quote is from Denis Diderot.
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