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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:11 PM
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MSNBC Presses Obama on Campaign Promises
By BRIAN STELTER
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/16/business/media/16msnbc.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1258344056-1itQCH4VsVoug/C2XyPvfA

If President Obama happened to glance at “The Rachel Maddow Show” last Monday, he might have winced.

Ms. Maddow pretended to celebrate the passage of a health care overhaul bill in the House, calling it “potentially a huge generational win for the Democratic Party” — but then halted the triumphant music and called it an “electoral defeat.”

The Stupak amendment, she said, was “the biggest restriction on abortion rights in a generation.” Then she wondered aloud about the consequences for Democrats “if they don’t get women or anybody who’s pro-choice to ever vote for them again.” She returned to the subject the next four evenings in a row.

This is how it looks to have a television network pressuring President Obama from the left.

While much attention has been paid to the feud between the Fox News Channel and the White House, the Obama administration is now facing criticism of a different sort from Ms. Maddow, Keith Olbermann and other progressive hosts on MSNBC, who are using their nightly news-and-views-casts to measure what she calls “the distance between Obama’s rhetoric and his actions.”

While they may agree with much of what Mr. Obama says, they have pressed him to keep his campaign promises about health care, civil liberties and other issues.



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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:24 PM
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1. Nothing wrong with that.
I say good!

Conservatives have jumped on shiite like this but, in reality, they just don't recognize what democracy means. They've been sold the bill of goods that's titled the 11th commandment:

"Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."

We can disagree and/or push but it doesn't mean that we're defeated and/or going the other way.

We sat for 8 years and watched them condemn libs....against their own interest...instead of pushing Bush.

Let's keep pushing Obama... and all the while...acknowleding the work that he's IS doing.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:29 PM
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2. the Obama administration is NOW facing criticism of a different sort?
Edited on Sun Nov-15-09 11:29 PM by FrenchieCat
Think that started like a month before the Inauguration and hasn't let up yet.

Where's has the NYT been?
Oh yeah....that's right, they've been right in there with the rest of them.

:eyes:
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 09:39 AM
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9. For many it started when he put Rick Warren in the spotlight
Anti gay, anti choice, hate preacher opposed to the basic rights of millions who had just voted for Obama. Criticism is often deserved and that sure was. No free pass for prejudiced people. Ever.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:37 PM
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3. Not sure why the Executive Obama is blamed for a Legislative act
:shrug:
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:20 AM
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4. Lack of leadership at the top = bad health care bill
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/?q=node/416

Health Care Reform: DOA
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 17:33 — dlindorff

I never thought I'd find myself thanking the women-loathing, Christian fundamentalist-pandering Democrats in Congress for anything, but here it is: Thank you Congressman Bart Stupak (D-Mich), for your outrageous amendment to the House version of the health insurance reform legislation in Congress, which bars any insurance company in the proposed health insurance exchange from offering a health insurance plan that includes abortion coverage.

This amendment, which would actually bar women or families from buying even with their own money and no government subsidy health insurance that includes funding for a medically recommended abortion, was supported by 64 Democrats along with all but one Republican in Congress.

Because it passed and was attached to the House health reform bill, it gives hope to the notion that the disastrous so-called health reform legislation in Congress will die.

And so it should.

Because of an utter lack of leadership from the president, and because of the massive corruption in Congress, which is wallowing in lobbying money from the insurance industry and other parts of the Medical-Industrial Complex, a historical opportunity to finally bring the US out of the dark ages on health care has been blown.

The legislation emerging in Senate and House does not reform the system. In fact it in many ways makes things even worse than they are today, with unfunded mandates that struggling working people buy insurance or be penalized, with taxes placed on better plans negotiated through long struggle by labor unions, with little in the way of cost controls on doctors, hospitals and the drug industry, and it doesn't even provide coverage for all.

Way back in 1965, a different Democratic president and Democratic Congress passed landmark health reform that gave the US a pioneering single-payer healthcare program, with the only problem being that you had to live to 65 in order to qualify for it. Today that program, Medicare, while repeatedly shortchanged and underfunded by Congress, is relied upon by over 40 million elderly and disabled Americans, and is widely appreciated for its simplicity and its universality. Sure it could be better. We could do away with the gaps in coverage, and tighten the screws on payments to doctors, hospitals and the suppliers of tests, equipment and drugs. But it remains a beautiful model of what could be done for the rest of the country.

Instead of drawing on this excellent, time-tested model, President Obama and the Democrats in Congress have pretended Medicare doesn't exist. Obama went so far as to say on several occasions, including in his address to Congress on health care reform, that while single-payer plans like those in Canada and France might work well in those countries (indeed they do, and at much less cost than our insane "system" here!), introducing such a system here would mean "starting from scratch."

Come again Barack? From scratch? Those countries modeled their systems, in part, on Medicare, which we had here first! And Medicare is actually a bigger program than the entire Canadian health care system!

Medicare for all would have been the proper way to reform American health care, and in fact, it could have been implemented right away at a huge overall savings to all of us. This was never admitted by the Democratic leaders in Congress of by the president. In fact, bills in the House and Senate, sponsored, respectively, by Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich) and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), have never even been allowed to get a hearing or to go to a floor vote, for fear that the public would see what they are being denied.

Medicare for all, while it would certainly have meant higher payroll taxes for all of us, would have been a huge net savings, because it would have eliminated the need for the Medicaid program for the poor ($450 billion a year), the Veterans Administration healthcare system ($100 billion a year and mounting), and publicly funded charity care by hospitals ($300 billion). It would have eliminated over $150 billion a year in private health industry administrative costs and between $75-100 billion in health industry profits. Total it up: that represents savings of over $1 trillion a year. Since adding the under-65 population to Medicare would only add about $750-800 billion a year to the program costs, that's a net savings of over $200 billion a year, without even counting the fact that businesses and citizens alike would no longer have to pay ransoms to the private insurance industry--a savings to individuals and employers of close to $1.5 trillion a year!

We need health care reform. Forty million Americans have no access to health care. At least 40,000 of us a year die because of lack of access. Thirty to forty million more have lousy care funded by state Medicaid programs, many of which are underfunded and few of which provide for routine care. The rest of us are indentured to our employers, afraid to unionize, afraid to strike, afraid to speak up on the job, for fear of losing our insurance coverage.

The health care "reform" bill in Congress does nothing to solve these problems. Aside from outlawing a couple of the worst abuses, such as denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, or pricing such people out of the insurance market, or dropping coverage when someone actually becomes ill, it leaves all the evils of the current system in place, and assures that the crisis will continue and continue to worsen.

But with the ban on abortion coverage, there is a chance that at least some principled members of Congress, backers of a woman's right to unimpeded health care that she and her doctor say she needs, will reject the whole obscene package. If they do, this fradulent reform legislation will go down in flames.

Then we'll be back to square one, and we can finally demand that Congress and the President give us the reform that will work: Medicare for all.

So again, thank you Rep. Stupak, and all you anti-women's rights Democrats who backed the amendment barring abortion coverage in the health reform legislation. You may have coat-hangered this sham health "reform" legislation and given us another shot at real health system reform.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:13 AM
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5. I'm sure he'd be okay
he's got a 53% approval rating according to Gallup - 39% disapproval

He's got a lot on his plate and you don't get to play in the big leagues if you take stuff like that personally. If he sees it and it has value to him, it's good, if not it gives him the opportunity to educate via some means :)
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:34 AM
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6. Rachel is fantastic
I love her. And I'm glad she puts the pressure on from the left.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:56 AM
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7. Maybe Rachel and Keith should run for president, because
They're going to miss Obama after he'll lose to some Palin in 2012, because the pure Liberals undermined him every second since his first day in office. Let them try fix 8 years worth of damage in 10 months. Whiners.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 09:15 AM
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8. He invited it with his bragging and self annointing
He came to my community and claimed he'd be not just in our corner but a Fierce Advocate for our rights who would never so much as hesitate to use his Bully Pulpit to lead the Congress and the States to do the right thing.
And what he delivered was far, far, less than his self loving rhetoric from the campaign. You and he are the whiners, upset that he is expected to be what he said he'd be, to do what he said he'd do. He asked for votes and money and work and promised he'd be a Fierce Advocate, but now when the rubber meets the road, he's weak, equivocating and constantly complaining about being held to his own word.
Anyone can talk big talk. Anyone. But most, when called to deliver on that big talk, have nothing but excuses and whining and finger pointing to offer.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:01 PM
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10. Oh, baloney. He's not going to lose to Palin just because they hold his feet to the fire
and ask him to keep his campaign promises.

It's possible to support him AND criticize him at the same time. They never said he had to fix all the damage in 10 months. They're not "whining"--they're expressing valid criticism. If you can't tell the difference, that's your problem.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:57 PM
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11. Spoken like a true Obama-bot
You guys are just as bad as the Teabaggers when it comes to criticism of your idol.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:40 PM
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12. BUT I THOUGHT MSNBC WAS THE LIBERAL FOX AND WAS IN THE TANK FOR OBAMA!?!?!?
I'm getting pretty tired of hearing that nutty false equivalency.
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