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sorrowspath Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:26 AM
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Catholic Church Threatens To Stop Social Service Programs For D.C.'s Neediest If Gay Marriage Pass
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/11/AR2009111116943.html?hpid=topnews

The Catholic Archdiocese of Washington said Wednesday that it will be unable to continue the social service programs it runs for the District if the city doesn't change a proposed same-sex marriage law, a threat that could affect tens of thousands of people the church helps with adoption, homelessness and health care.

Under the bill, headed for a D.C. Council vote next month, religious organizations would not be required to perform or make space available for same-sex weddings. But they would have to obey city laws prohibiting discrimination against gay men and lesbians.

Fearful that they could be forced, among other things, to extend employee benefits to same-sex married couples, church officials said they would have no choice but to abandon their contracts with the city.

"If the city requires this, we can't do it," Susan Gibbs, spokeswoman for the archdiocese, said Wednesday. "The city is saying in order to provide social services, you need to be secular. For us, that's really a problem."

Several D.C. Council members said the Catholic Church is trying to erode the city's long-standing laws protecting gay men and lesbians from discrimination.

The clash escalates the dispute over the same-sex marriage proposal between the council and the archdiocese, which has generally stayed out of city politics.

Catholic Charities, the church's social services arm, is one of dozens of nonprofit organizations that partner with the District. It serves 68,000 people in the city, including the one-third of Washington's homeless people who go to city-owned shelters managed by the church. City leaders said the church is not the dominant provider of any particular social service, but the church pointed out that it supplements funding for city programs with $10 million from its own coffers.

"All of those services will be adversely impacted if the exemption language remains so narrow," Jane G. Belford, chancellor of the Washington Archdiocese, wrote to the council this week.

The church's influence seems limited. In separate interviews Wednesday, council member Mary M. Cheh (D-Ward 3) referred to the church as "somewhat childish." Another council member, David A. Catania (I-At Large), said he would rather end the city's relationship with the church than give in to its demands.

"They don't represent, in my mind, an indispensable component of our social services infrastructure," said Catania, the sponsor of the same-sex marriage bill and the chairman of the Health Committee.

The standoff appears to be among the harshest between a government and a faith-based group over the rights of same-sex couples. Advocates for same-sex couples said they could not immediately think of other places where a same-sex marriage law had set off a break with a major faith-based provider of social services.

The council is expected to pass the same-sex marriage bill next month, but the measure continues to face strong opposition from a number of groups that are pushing for a referendum on the issue.

The archdiocese's statement follows a vote Tuesday by the council's Committee on Public Safety and the Judiciary to reject an amendment that would have allowed individuals, based on their religious beliefs, to decline to provide services for same-sex wedding

"Lets say an individual caterer is a staunch Christian and someone wants him to do a cake with two grooms on top," said council member Yvette M. Alexander (D-Ward 6), the sponsor of the amendment. "Why can't they say, based on their religious beliefs, 'I can't do something like that'?"

After the vote, the archdiocese sent out a statement accusing the council of ignoring the right of religious freedom. Gibbs said Wednesday that without Alexander's amendment and other proposed changes, the measure has too narrow an exemption. She said religious groups that receive city funds would be required to give same-sex couples medical benefits, open adoptions to same-sex couples and rent a church hall to a support group for lesbian couples.

Peter Rosenstein of the Campaign for All D.C. Families accused the church of trying to "blackmail the city."

"The issue here is they are using public funds, and to allow people to discriminate with public money is unacceptable," Rosenstein said.

Rosenstein and other gay rights activists have strong support on the council. Council member Phil Mendelson (D-At Large), chairman of the judiciary committee, said the council "will not legislate based on threats."



"The problem with the individual exemption is anybody could discriminate based on their assertion of religious principle," Mendelson said. "There were many people back in the 1950s and '60s, during the civil rights era, that said separation of the races was ordained by God."

Catania, who said he has been the biggest supporter of Catholic Charities on the council, said he is baffled by the church's stance. From 2006 through 2008, Catania said, Catholic Charities received about $8.2 million in city contracts, as well as several hundred thousand dollars' worth this year through his committee.

"If they find living under our laws so oppressive that they can no longer take city resources, the city will have to find an alternative partner to step in to fill the shoes," Catania said. He also said Catholic Charities was involved in only six of the 102 city-sponsored adoptions last year.

Terry Lynch, head of the Downtown Cluster of Congregations, said he did not know of any other group in the city that was making such a threat.

"I've not seen any spillover into programming. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen if passes," he said.

Cheh said she hopes the Catholic Church will reconsider its stance.

"Are they really going to harm people because they have a philosophical disagreement with us on one issue?" Cheh asked. "I hope, in the silver light of day, when this passes, because it will pass, they will not really act on this threat."


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:27 AM
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1. Maybe their tax-exempt status could be re-evaluated in light of their
impulse toward political influence.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:45 AM
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10. And maybe donations on Sundays should dry up.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:51 AM
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12. Money does talk. Their flock has been more loyal to them than the
Church as been toward the tenets of Jesus' ministry.

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:29 AM
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2. That is some sick shite......
Edited on Thu Nov-12-09 08:30 AM by marmar
..... You would threaten the lives of the less fortunate, who have nothing to do with your bullshit political agenda, because D.C. dares to recognize the civil rights of everyone?
It's clearly an attempt to scare the city council in cash-strapped DC. The Catholic Church hierarchy (not the parishioners) is a huge pile of elephant dung. And they wonder why the institution has become so irrelevant?

:argh:


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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:33 AM
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5. AT least the Salvation Army makes no bones about the strings attached.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:31 AM
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3. Meanwhile--- Father Johnny is fondling little Joey's balls.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:32 AM
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4. Maybe the National Cathedral (Episcopal Church) should step up and show up the Catholics.
It would be good timing and a moral booster for the Episcopal Church's mothership to say, "Hey, if the Catholics can't handle living in 2009, we'll take their jobs."
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:33 AM
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6. do they get some of that 'faith based initiative' money?
It is long past time that program ended and this would be a good place to start.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:35 AM
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8. Part of the dual personality game of the RCC has been their Catholic Charities arm.
Catholic Charities is probably as much a PR firm as anything else. Make no mistake, they do some serious good works, but it's also a front for the Church's evangelical department. They don't go door to door like the JW and the Mormons, but Catholic Charities serves AIDS victims and homeless people and the like in a very high profile way that keeps gay people and liberals from taking their parents to the mat for continuing to support the RCC.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:34 AM
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7. So, separation of church and state means the church can't...
dictate to the state, but the state can dictate to the church?

This will, as always, be dealt with and some accommodation will be made to avoid a crisis, but why is it necessary to have the confrontation in the first place?

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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:11 AM
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20. Not at all so.
Edited on Thu Nov-12-09 10:31 AM by TheMadMonk
AFAIK the Church may refuse to employ a gay person. Or at the very least won't get it's arse legally handed it to on a platter if it's smart enough to offer up a half way plausible excuse for not employing that person.

This law simply forbids the Church from applying gender discrimination (or any other form of discrimination) in any secular matter in which the Church is a voluntary participant.

This is no different than the already accepted principle that whilst the church may refuse communion (or any of the other sacrements to a gay person), it MAY NOT (in general) refuse to treat a gay person, an unmarried mother or remarried divorcee, in one of its hospitals.

If it does hire a gay employee (presumably in a secular position) then it must indeed extend exactly the same secular benefits to that employee's partner as it does to the civily recognise (including common law) partners of any other employees.

If it rents/hires out its property, it is acting as a secular landlord and as such it may not refuse to rent any property solely on the basis of the renter's gender orrientation. Thus as per the example, yes if the property is available for rent then it can not stop a lesbian support group from renting if they stump up the cash. However, the exemptions in this proposed law still gives it an out such that it MAY refuse to rent out a hall for the purpose of holding a gay marriage ceremony because that is in part a spirtual matter, but not for the reception that follows.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:44 AM
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9. Jesus wept!
"The issue here is they are using public funds, and to allow people to discriminate with public money is unacceptable," Rosenstein said.


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sorrowspath Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:47 AM
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11. I always believe
that their ultimate goal is to control the economy,politics and social services of countries to coerce them into doing their will. They learned that from their bestfriends, the Mafia
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 09:15 AM
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16. actually the mafia learned from them...
the catholic church was always a political institution. it was never about saving souls. hell, the church controlled prostitution and sold trips to heaven....
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 09:10 AM
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13. REMOVE THEIR FUCKING TAX EXEMPT STATUS ALREADY!!!
What's WRONG with our elected Leaders?!!!

This is PURE POLITICS - which is ILLEGAL according to their tax exemption!!!
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 02:51 PM
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28. They cannot be partisan.
But they can have political views and voice them.

In other words, they can oppose legislation, but they cannot oppose a candidate. They can support legislation, but they cannot support a candidate.

Candidates can be partisan. Referenda and legislation is not partisan, however much it may be supported or opposed by a particular party.

In this, they are like ACORN or PETA or Greenpeace. They are non-profits, not PACs. But they are associations of people, and as such can represent their members (however iffy that representation may be).
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 09:12 AM
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14. WWJD?---ORGANIZE!
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 09:14 AM
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15. scumbags
that's all.

they're scumbags.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 09:29 AM
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17. Just 1 more
In the Looong line of crap The Holy Roman Church has pulled on its members, the people it serves, and all the rest of us. IMHO, the whole child rape deal should have been grounds for a RICO prosecution of several archdioces. FWIW, Mrs. 151 is a recovering Catholic (11 years at the Cathedral Schools in Southie), and we live in the home of Camp Fatima.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 09:43 AM
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18. Waiting for the Catholic Church defenders on DU
to weigh in on this issue.
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 09:43 AM
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19. I am so tired of people saying the church is the problem....
and not the people who are it members. "I am a catholic but I don't believe in hatred of gays and our Nazi pope".

Good people need to leave this institution. There are plenty of charities worth donating your time and money to. Why would you bring up your children in that religious pig sty?

I was lucky to leave that cult when I was a small child. Please get out and get your family out.
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Blue State Blues Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:19 AM
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21. Great quote
"The issue here is they are using public funds, and to allow people to discriminate with public money is unacceptable," Rosenstein said.

And this is exactly why public funding for faith-based charities is a BAD idea.
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:20 AM
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22. Best Case Scenario
DC goes ahead; the Catholic church leaves, and after a small transitioning period, the services are back up and running so we can say to the church, "Oh, look... you're not needed after all. See ya."

Best Case Scenario +1: Mel White, Jerry Falwell's ex speech writer and now openly gay minister, brings his church (Soul Force? Too lazy to go to the Googles) and forms a coalition of gay-friendly churches to take over.

TlalocW
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:30 AM
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23. Who gives a crap what a stupid, sexist, perverted group of men in robes does,
or doesn't do so long as they leave our children alone.
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sorrowspath Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:31 AM
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24. unfortunately
they're now using the poor as hostage to push their hate campaign
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:46 AM
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25. How very "Christian" of them.
In quotes because obviously their commitment to their community is FAKE.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:01 AM
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26. There's a new arch-duke in DC, isn't there?
Wouldn't this have been unlikely under Hickey and McCarrick, or am I being sentimental?
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:08 AM
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27. Didn't Jesus say something like, "help the poor, so long as they agree with you politically."
Maybe it was something along those lines... right?


What living examples of Christ's true love these people are. :eyes:
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