Buck You Farack Obama

[Daveparts still]

(edited for copyright purposes-proud patriot moderator democratic underground)


Buck You Farack Obama
By David Glenn Cox

There is an old axiom that goes something like, the art of politics is telling your followers to go to hell and then convincing them that they really want to go. I tread lightly and carefully because I am trying to make a case and not just to prove a point.

I supported Barack Obama; I voted for him here in the Georgia primary and I voted for him again in the general election. I listened to his speeches, and my heart rose when he promised that if the Employee Free Choice Act reached his desk, he would sign it into law. He promised to change the way the federal government did business. He was going to close down Guantanamo.

I watched the elated throngs on The Mall in Washington on the day he was sworn in. I truly wondered how with such high expectations he could he keep the momentum rolling to achieve his promised goals. I am not so naive as to not understand what can happen to the best laid plans. What troubles me to the point of boiling anger is that President Obama is not the same man that I voted for as candidate Obama.

It is at this point that I will explain just who I am. I am a 52-year-old American who was once gainfully employed for over 25 years without ever missing a pay check. I worked myself into the middle class from a delivery driver to a general manager. I moved from a one-bedroom apartment in a rough neighborhood to a four-bedroom house on a lake. I started two businesses, I’ve won musical awards, and I’ve had a book published. Today, I live in a garage and I’m down to the last hundred bucks to my name.


http://kucinich.house.gov/Issues/

[FreeJG]

1. The media built Obama, corporations ran the race, he had "rock star" crowds!

That is because he DID SPEAK AT A ROCK CONCERT!!! And, they just kept showing the footage saying...
"no one can attrack these crowds"....ala Candy Crowley. IT was all a RUSE!! "The youth vote"...did not change. It stayed the same as in history before Regan. 1-2% increase every preznit race. They just don't show it....then the media gives youth coveraage to make you believe THEY threw the race to Obama! The numbers did not change. It was all an "illusion".

Are you getting this yet?

The media just did this in a local race. The corporations count the votes...and the media create an illusion to fit the numbers. Do you understand this yet? When you do, you will understand where the fight and work really is! It's not on the campaign trail! That is what the corporations now own. Fight the media.

[MadBadger]

3. The number of youth voters only increased a little, but they overwhelmingly voted for Obama

That is what threw the race to him, when he won 66% of the youth vote.

Not that you'll listen, it sounds like you're a bit delusional.

[MineralMan]

2. No, thank you very much.

You have my permission to stick this crap far up some nether region of your body.

[jpak]

4. Obama doesn't care! We must have a liberal 3rd party candidate in 2012 to make sure the GOP wins!

There - I said it.

:puke:

[Daveparts still]

13. The GOP has their own Problems

Lets deal with our own.

[pundaint]

32. Agreed, we have to start somewhere or we are the surrender monkeys

Besides, if only Republican policies are being implemented, It wouldn't hurt to have Republicans in power to accept the credit.

We have been settling for less than scraps for three decades while being mocked. As long as the Democratic Party as an institution continues serve the same limited subset of special interests the People cannot progress.

[Laelth]

5. k&r for the Honorable Dennis Kucinich. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[MineralMan]

6. How does your title differ from similar crap from right wingers?

It's one thing to criticize the President of The United States. It is another to do it obscenely.

Screw this!

[Daveparts still]

7. How Does Blind Loyalty from the Left

differ from Blind Loyalty on the right?
If anything it is inferior, we expect the right to be automatons we expect Democrats to keep and open mind.

[MineralMan]

9. I don't object to your political position, actually.

It's one that some people hold who are very progressive. I object to your scurrilous attack on the man who WAS elected to be President. With a rational title to your screed, you might actually attract some readers and have a chance to make your point.

When you begin your screed with an obscenity against the President, you fail miserably. You align yourself instantly with the Freepers and the other enemies of our Republic. President Obama was elected. Criticize him. Criticize what he is doing or not doing.

Do not title your screed with a thinly disguised obscenity. To do so marks you as a moron. We discuss many things here on DU. It's basically a rational place.

You fail. You fail badly.

[MineralMan]

11. What does loyalty have to do with my comment?

We had an election. Barack Obama won. Your candidate wasn't even in play. Now, the question is how we can work toward progressive goals. Your ugly title marks you as someone who has no respect for our system of electing the President.

It fails on so many levels that I won't even start a list.

Do you have a point? Who knows? Most people will simply pass by your thread, since you titled it with disrespect for the entire institution of the USA. Chuck you, Farley.

[Daveparts still]

15. Do you realize

that this post sounds very much like Bill O'Rielly?

"who has no respect for our system of electing the President"

I respect the election so much that I can't wait to have another one!

"since you titled it with disrespect for the entire institution of the USA."

This is the point where Bill usually tells the guest to shut up!

To complain about the President's perfomance is disrepect for the institution.

Better call the Department of Homeland Security!

[pundaint]

33. No, obscene criticism of Obama would be

He's continued extraordinary rendition
He's continued immoral wars causing collateral damage to uninvolved civilians
He protects war criminals from the justice they deserve

and one for the horse

His first step in reforming our Health system was to bolster the revenues of those responsible for our problems.

How's that for obscenity!

[Daveparts still]

8. Question. How many People do you know without

health insurance? How many of them want health insurance but can't afford it?
How many do you know that can afford it but are just trying to game the system?

[pundaint]

34. more than 10, personally

plus a couple of more who are in states where their pre-existing conditions make coverage unavailable to them.

As for affordability, is your argument that Health Insurers have a right to any amount of our money for adding nothing toward achieving my health goals whatsoever, as long as we can afford it?

[MineralMan]

10. MAJOR TITLE FAIL!

Grow up.

[Daveparts still]

12. You are Blindly Loyal

You are Blindly loyal and that is your prerogative; you take offense at a title because it is the Idea that offends you. “If I had said, Chuck you Fick Cheney would you have been so offended? I think not. I don’t much care for Republican Presidents especially when they call themselves Democrats.

The healthcare bill benefits the strong and disadvantages the weak. Do you know anyone who can afford healthcare that doesn’t have it? It’s a straw man! It’s something they can point at to vilify

"Fella in business got to lie an' cheat, but he calls it somepin else...You go steal that tire an' you're a thief, but he tried to steal your four dollars for a busted tire. They call that sound business." The Grapes of Wrath

[MineralMan]

18. Whereas you, sir, are merely blind.

Blind to the fact that the candidate you prefer had no chance, whatever, of achieving the Presidency. Blind to our system of government, which elects our officials, and to which I am, indeed, loyal.
Blind, in that you do not know me at all, yet you post nonsense about me.

I do not refer to sitting Presidents in the way you do. I find that to be a bad practice. I oppose them, but with reason, not slurs. Slurs engender only anger, and are never productive.

I do not like the healthcare bill that is currently in play. I prefer single-payer. At the moment, there is no chance that a single-payer system can be passed. None. It is the same chance Dennis Kucinich has of being elected as President. Politics is the art of the possible. Some progress is preferable to no progress.

As for your Steinbeck quotation, it is specious. The man who sells a tire is worthy of payment for that tire. If the business man is a cheat, he will soon fail. If you wish to make a point, I suggest that you refrain from quoting fictional works.

As you may have noticed, your thread is not popular. Few have posted in it, and it has negative recommendations. Consider this: If you wish your words to be read, a title that entices readership rather than repelling readers tends to work better.

Now, I am finished with this discussion. You may have the final word, if you wish.

[ShortnFiery]

23. Tell that to the Wall Street sociopaths who are behind their gated communities

WITH our tax dollars to bail them out?

Lying, cheating, thieving bastards do win and will continue to win if we, the NON-corporate American people remain as docile as SHEEP! :thumbsdown:

[winyanstaz]

30. You are the one with blinders on...

And I am sick of people that say Dennis cannot be elected.
We were told a Black man can't be elected once too.
The Citizens of America can elect anyone we put our minds to elect...YES WE CAN!!!!
Many are now waking up to the fact that we have been played.
Dennis is the one sane voice crying out for the people in Congress...and more are listening to him every day.
We are not stupid..we know who is for American Taxpayers and who is for the Corporations.
It might take us a while to see past the rhetoric but we can see the ACTIONS of the liars and judge by that.
In case you missed it...America is angry and pissed off at being promised one thing and delivered another. We are sick and tired of being "trickled down on", bent over and pissed on and kicked to the curb.
We are rapidly realizing that our country is under attack by terrorists alright..but not the terrorists we were told about...
Rather our "terrorists" wear an expensive suit and tie and call themselves The New World Order and are roaming the halls of Government. They have stolen our jobs by letting them go overseas and they have stolen our homes by bailing out the banks instead of the homeowners. They are now stealing women's civil rights and passing laws to treat gays as less than anyone else.
These are the evil-doers and they are among us.
They count on people like you that refuse to take their blinders off to keep themselves in power.

[MineralMan]

36. Hmm...if Kucinich can be elected, how'd he do in the

primaries last year. I don't remember him winning any of them. Before you win the election, you do have to win the primaries, you know. How'd that work out?

[winyanstaz]

40. It worked out just like the corporations that own the tv companies worked it out....

While your at it...take the time to do some research on mind control and subliminal programing..and then watch those primaries again.
You will see that the contestants that were not allowed to win..were placed on the outside and further away..also the lighting was a shade or two darker on them...while the favorites were placed close together in the center.
You will also be able to notice that Kucinich and the others were only given a few brief moments and only one or just few questions..while those they wanted to be the contenders were focused on more, asked many times more questions and put forth into the publics mind a lot stronger.
You may be contented with being played..but more and more Americans are waking up everyday..I wish you would join us.

[pundaint]

35. Besides ad hominem attacks, I have issues with the argument

There is such a thing as a strategic loss. Are we to support action opposed to our best interests and political will just so we can claim to be on the winning team. If so, you can still vote for people espousing the actions you want to happen in the privacy of the booth, and later buy a T-shirt with the winning party's logo. I say withholding our concurrence with bad policy is an important first step.

Stirring up anger among the apathetic while risky, is no longer riskier than the status quo.

See, here it is. We say if you don't like what they do, don't vote for them

Have the War contractors been cheating the government? have the banks been cheating many of the mortgage borrowers? have the banks been cheating the mortgage insurers by not doing their part in due diligence in making the loans? When is the last time you heard of a corporation large enough to make a campaign contribution go out of business for cheating? By the way the new term for it is "God's work."

I support the post and poster. We need to stir things up.

[salguine]

16. "Grow up"!? Only fucking five-year-olds respond to anything with "FAIL". And I've noticed that

pretty much without exception, people say FAIL because they've just been bitch-slapped with a dose of reality, and they can't offer even a nugget of rebuttal to the original post. Sometimes it's because they aren't smart enough, but usually it's because there's simply nothing they can say.

Let's hear your analysis of how Daveparts still is wrong. What's that? I can't hear you.

[Name removed]

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[natrat]

17. sad, some people are able to read between the lines and pick up on things

and some are just fucking stupid
we all lose though when these small minded fools get caught up on language and totally miss the larger point

[SandWalker1984]

19. I agree aaronbav. Remember, Repubs cut the CHIPS programs for children.

Some of these people on here, if they are not paid hacks for the insurance corporations, they are acting like anxious mistresses in that they say the bill needs to be passed first and fixed later. They believe, like mistresses, that even though they are the 3rd affair of the adulterer for the year, they are somehow special and the adulterer will treat them better and end up marrying them. Yeah, right.

Remember that when we were sold NAFTA by Clinton, Gore & corporate media, we were told it could be renegotiated and fixed in 6 months if it wasn't working out. It's now 15 years later and NAFTA wasn't fixed or renegotiated and it has devastated Detroit. In just the past few weeks Whirlpool and Electrolux have moved almost 2000 jobs to Mexico. Never mind that NAFTA has destroyed the value of our dollar.

Let's talk about Bill Clinton's capital gains tax cut to 15% that rewarded the rich for moving those jobs out of the US. That hasn't been fixed either, in fact, they now want to eliminate the capital gains tax altogether for their rich friends.

Then there's the Telecommunications bill from 1996. Newt told us all after passing the bill with Clinton, that our cable bills would drop to $15 a month. I don't know about yours, but my cable bill is $60 a month for BASIC cable. Another lie.


You can't fix legislation later that is being controlled by monopolies like the health care industry. Obama ran as an anti-current establishment, reform progressive but apparently, behind the scenes, he acts like a sleazy Chicago politician making deals in secret with the criminal corporations. He promised us open debate and transparency.

What Obama has given us in the past 10 months is a new level of corruption and secrecy. He is going behind our backs and cutting bad deals with the industry he is supposed to be protecting us from in the health care debate, the industry that he ran against during the campaign.

Yesterday on MSNBC, it was reported Clinton told the Senate Dems that they should pass whatever they can so they can declare a victory even though Bill was against the Republican MANDATES in 1994 and opposed them at that time in his health care boondoggle.

We are being sold out for "whatever." Whatever is more important than REAL health care reform - it's all about their self-serving agendas and the rich they represent. The rest is just lies and rhetoric.

Obama-Orwell, more corporate chains you can believe in.

[Daveparts still]

20. Jack and the Beanstalk

Nov. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Former President Bill Clinton warned senators against repeating history and failing to act quickly on an overhaul of the U.S. health system even as top lawmakers suggested that Congress won’t finish work this year.

“It’s not important to be perfect here, it’s important to act, to move, to start the ball rolling,” Clinton told reporters after speaking to Senate Democrats on Capitol Hill yesterday. “The worst thing to do is nothing.”


Following that logic, Jack made a good trade, the family cow for a hand full of beans. I wonder if as Jack's mother beat him for being such a dolt he said, “It’s not important to be perfect here."

[DemReadingDU]

22. agree with SandWalker1984 and aaronbav and dave

This is a huge political crisis. We think we have 2 parties, Democrats and Republicans. But it's really the same party wearing different hats. It is controlled by the banksters, lobbyists, and big business to keep the status quo for the wealthy.

We were sold out many years ago for corporatist greedy profits. When most people have lost their job, house, savings, and are cold and hungry, they will revolt. Might not happen in my lifetime, but surely in my grandbabies.

[babylonsister]

24. Hahaha! You'll never vote for a Dem again?!

:rofl: I bet you just luved idiot son and voted for McSame. But keep on whining. It suits you!

[DemReadingDU]

27. might not vote at all, n/t

[ShortnFiery]

21. Amen! I'm with you 100%.

"Time to begin the Draft Dennis Kucinich, 2012, for a New Deal."

Back in 2004 we respected the Dennis Kucinich supporters. They were so genuine and "happy" that you could FEEL their love and enthusiasm for their candidate. Of course, we'd follow up with how WE were so much more "realistic" in our support for Kerry, but I didn't FEEL it.

What our other Democratic buddies forget is that our nation has been a right wing CORPORATE duopoly of one form or another since the days of Saint Reagan. :(

=====================
Although it was written in 2004, this article rings TRUE:

http://www.counterpunch.org/kuzminski08182004.html

Why Perot Was the Last Serious Challenger of the Politcal Duopoly
The Death of American Politics
August 18, 2004
By ADRIAN KUZMINSKI

The minority status of the Democratic Party was disguised by its lingering control of Congress (until 1994) and the fluke election (thanks to Ross Perot) of Bill Clinton. Social activists and progressives of various sorts remained the party's base, even as party leaders, embodied in the Democratic Leadership Council, sensing the limited electoral appeal of the progressive agenda, steadily drifted to the right. Their failure to rearticulate a compelling vision of social justice and democracy sealed the party's fate. Conservative attacks on 'big government,' and their promotion of 'deregulation' not only of much of the economy but of campaign financing, solidified the corruption of the political process. As early as the Carter years, conservatives captured the leadership of the Democratic as well as the Republican parties, and created the two-party, right-wing duopoly which now confronts us.

Voting for Kerry is marginally better than voting for Bush, or wasting a vote for Nader. But it's rather like voting for Marius and Caesar (the Democrats) rather than Sulla and Pompey (the Republicans). A more benevolent despot is always better than a less benevolent one, but despotism it remains all the same. Can we pretend otherwise any longer?

What is likely is the continued consolidation of the right-wing duopoly, most evident in the erosion of civil liberties and the war on terrorism. Somewhere along the line, America lost its political freedom without even realizing it. The last meaningful opposition to the duopoly was perhaps Ross Perot's presidential candidacy in 1992. His presence in the presidential debates and his subsequent garnering of almost twenty percent of the vote -- in spite of dropping out of the race and then reentering it -- may be the most underappreciated event in recent American political history. Perot was no social activist liberal, but he showed what an open political process might achieve. Afterward, the duopoly regrouped and created a rigged, 'bi-partisan,' corporate-sponsored debate commission dedicated to making sure that no third party candidate would ever again enjoy such exposure to the voters.

The coming darkness is the eclipse of American political freedom and the unchecked reign of a venal, arrogant, and ignorant ruling class. Onerous as its depredations at home are likely to be, even more omnious is its immoral, illegal, and criminal policy of preemptive war abroad -- a policy fully endorsed by Kerry. There is no end to the war on terrorism, since a terrorist is increasingly defined as anyone who opposes the duopoly at home or abroad.

[Peacetrain]

25. Popcorn, Peanuts, get your Cracker Jacks here...

:popcorn:

[MineralMan]

28. Nah. The movie was boring and most everyone left the theater.

Gonna be lots of stale popcorn.

[Recoverin_Republican]

26. equating Obama to a Republican is an a hyperbolic absurdity.

He may not be the quite the Liberal some (or many) were hoping for, but seriously, think about the alternatives!

[pundaint]

37. As I understand it, hyperbolic means this is a miss by such great margin

that it has there is no aspect of reality in it.

By my perception, calling a recitation of what should be obvious "hyperbolic absurdity," may be a self defining criticism.

[Name removed]

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[winyanstaz]

29. K & R...for the Honorable Dennis Kucinich and the thread....

If the rent on your garage runs out...I have a couch in the front room you can use..

[billh58]

31. Aside from the

fact that 99% of your "problems" were caused by eight long years of Republican, neoconservative, PNAC, deregulation and illegal war profiteering, you are being hoodwinked by the right-wing Teabaggers. The Dubya administration created this mess, and we Democrats have been tasked, once again, with cleaning it up.

If anything, your misplaced anger should be directed toward our cowardly and do-nothing Congress, as they are the ones who actually formulate and pass (or reject) laws. They are also the ones who gave the Dubya administration an eight-year free pass to ruin our economy, destroy our worldwide reputation, and create a uniquely American obscene class of "super-wealthy" criminals.

You are entitled to your own opinions, but NOT your own facts. Bashing President Obama may make you feel better, but does absolutely nothing to help our country, or the Democratic cause. You must not have been listening when Candidate Obama said that the economic recovery would not be easy, would take a few years, and that he needed everyone's help to accomplish his goals.

The Primary Elections are over and your sainted idol, DK, still draws around 2% of the registered vote among Democrats. If he had the power base, charisma, or leadership qualities required to become the President of the United States, you might get some traction with your divisive OP. As it stands, however, DK will continue to be an adequate Representative for his district, but he will also continue be an ineffective "squeaky wheel."

And no, I am neither a DLC-er, nor a Far Left dreamer. I am a Liberal Democrat who strongly supports the Constitution, has fought for Civil Rights, and served my country in uniform.

[pundaint]

38. The roots of the problems are as old as the country.

The proximate cause was the undoing of the regulations built up as lessons were learned during several previous crashes. This removal of controlling legislation began in the late 70's accelerated in the 80's and Congress was completely owned as far as economic policy is concerned ever since.

There is no lesson to be learned from this occurrence that hadn't been previously learned. People who tell you that everything is different now are either ignorant of history, or are trying to take advantage of you.

[billh58]

39. No, there is not much

different now from the past 30-years of Republican mismanagement, and that is primarily because an economy can not be instantly restored. The neoconservative Republicans have deregulated and screwed up the economic sector before, and Democrats stepped in to clean up their mess: The New Deal. It will take at least two, and possibly more, election cycles for Democrats to even begin to clean up the current Republican-caused economic disaster.

Beginning with Ronny Raygun, and ending with Dubya-the-Dunce and a rubber-stamp Congress, the neoconservative movement spent almost three decades dismantling the regulatory policies of the New Deal, helping themselves to our national treasury through tax cuts for the rich (and no-bid, war-for-profit contracts) and we once again found ourselves on the verge of national bankruptcy.

Those who expect President Obama to instantly restore jobs, stop foreclosures, and put a chicken in every pot are being unrealistic, and are placing the blame on the wrong branch of government. It is the Congress who has the power to enact meaningful economic legislation, and NOT the Executive Branch. We had over six years of an Executive Branch which controlled the Congress, which is the primary reason we are, where we are today.

[dontfollowmeb]

42. I'd Blame it All on Bush

[Lost Jaguar]

41. Forget it, Dave-o...

...it's Obamatown.

[Daveparts still]

44. It's ok When a Democrat Does it

Obama Regime: Toss NSA Warrantless Wiretapping Lawsuit

President Barack Obama instructed Justice Department attorneys to argue last week in San Francisco before Federal District Judge Vaughn Walker, that he must toss out the Electronic Frontier Foundation's Shubert v. Bush lawsuit challenging the secret state's driftnet surveillance of Americans' electronic communications.

This latest move by the administration follows a pattern replicated countless times by Obama since assuming the presidency in January: denounce the lawless behavior of his Oval Office predecessor while continuing, even expanding, the reach of unaccountable security agencies that subvert constitutional guarantees barring "unreasonable searches and seizures." EFF senior staff attorney Kevin Bankston wrote:

In a Court filing late Friday night, the Obama Administration attempted to dress up in new clothes its embrace of one of the worst Bush Administration positions--that courts cannot be allowed to review the National Security Agency's massive, well-documented program of warrantless surveillance. In doing so it demonstrated that it will not willingly set limits on its own power and reinforced the need for Congress to step in and reform the so-called 'state secrets' privilege. (Kevin Bankston, "As Congress Considers State Secrets Reform, Obama Admin Tries to Shut Down Yet Another Warrantless Wiretapping Lawsuit," Electronic Frontier Foundation, November 2, 2009)

[butterfly77]

45. Were you one of those people who refuse to listen or see.

that Bush/Cheney and the republicons were fucking up the country...I have been hearing a lot of Obama needs to do this or that and how he needs to do it. There is so much scrutiny on every issue he has to face and everyone acts as though they are in on the meetings.

[Name removed]

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[Lost Jaguar]

47. I am proud...

...to be in the company of Daveparts still. I find great relevance in his remarks. Don't fall into the dualistic trap. If one is dissatisfied with our current president, it hardly means that one is a supporter of the previous.

[geek tragedy]

48. There is no intelligent reason to be a Naderite. nt

[Lost Jaguar]

50. The Left must pull harder...

...on the president than the Right, or he will remain in the center. I do not share all of Daveparts still's rancor towards the president, probably because I'm not living in a garage with barely enough money for groceries. YET.

I understand the political demands on the president. It seems he is compelled to accomodate the Right, as his political capital is small. I hope that if he were to grow a pair and act like the new FDR that we need, his capital will grow. At times, in my conspiratorial moments, I wonder if indeed he has been leashed by greater powers--or perhaps he is under the spell of a circle of advisers whose motives are not in concert with the populace.

[yurbud]

49. kick