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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 04:19 PM
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WOW! Score one for the principle of "Government FOR THE PEOPLE" rather than for the Corporations
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 05:07 PM by JohnWxy
Despite the hu-hum reaction of corporate media, on Saturday, Nov 7, Congressional Democrats scored a victory for principle of Government "FOR THE PEOPLE" and against the Corporate Lobbyists Party assignation with the Powerful to maintain "Government for the corporations" (Corporate Fuedalism, also known as the Fascist form of government).

It was a significant battle Saturday. Arrayed against us were the menacing minions of the for-profit Health Insurance industry. Brandishing all their weapons of demogoguery: propaganda, distortions of reality, fearful fantasies, and outrageous lies. Surely Josef Goebbel's spirit moved among the lobbyists of the legislative body. With menacing maws frothing malevolent attacks on the Democrats' efforts to fix a broken health care system, the fearful onslaught had begun. The Corporate Lobbyist Party was again on the move, intent on protecting the prerogatives of profit and power. But the Democrats held forth armed only with the facts .... and an enduring faith that government should serve the people and not corporations. The fact that most of the people want Health Care Reform was of no importance to the Health Insurance industry's mercenary army. They were bent upon strangling this hated movement of reasonable health care access for all, merely because it threatened insurance companies' profit horde.

The outcome of this battle was very much in doubt. Corporate media talking heads were all nodding in agreement and had declared, as one, the Democrat's Health Care reform plans were dead. The weapons of disinformation and hysteria are powerful and certainly the American Taliban of the Corporate Lobbyist party are consummate practitioners of punk politics, propaganda and The Big Lie. They are always ready to menace the system with destruction (i.e. paralysis) if they don't get their way. But in the end, after the dust had settled and the smoke had cleared, the vote was taken and against all odds government FOR THE PEOPLE had prevailed.

..... But this victory took a heavy toll. The principle of separation of church and state had to be sacrificed to win this battle. And while the right of citizens to access to adequate, affordable health care was affirmed, the right of women to make their own health decisions became a casualty of this war. Some would say it was too heavy a price to pay. Most would agree it was certainly a costly compromise, a heavy ransom to pay.

And now the battle is to be joined in the Senate, where the American Taliban say with confidence, they will KILL Health Care reform for good. This is no idle threat. The American Taliban are fully experienced in killing progress, at subverting good, sensible causes. Again the outcome is in doubt. The Democrats won a great victory for the American people, but now they have to do it all over again. This war is far from won. Being on the side of what's right (and even what's practical) means nothing to the American Taliban(the Becks, the Limgaughs, the Bachmans and the Boehners). Ignorance is their friend and ally. Their ultimate weapon is the threat of anarchy and chaos. The 'Party of NO', knows how to turn a community into a mob, a nation into an internecine battlefield.

Tomorrow the battle begins anew.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 04:27 PM
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1. Right, because the best way to score a "victory for the people over corporations"
Is to FORCE the people to pay the corporations and reward them for criminal behavior. :eyes:
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GodDamLiberal Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 04:59 PM
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2. The Turd Polishers are Everywhere
Sounds like a B-grade horror film.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:31 PM
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5. yeah, like 1) Obama, 2) Pelosi. The Insurance industry has spent millions to kill the Public Option
the presence of which in the bill is what made the house bill so extremely difficult to get passed.


A lobbyist love blanket smothered the public option

Posted by Judy Dugan

The five Democrats who joined 10 Republicans to kill the public health insurance in a Senate committee today are surrounded and coddled by a web of industry lobbyists. The barrier appears soundproof, from looking at the graphic below. The fact that 65% of Americans, and 73% of doctors, want a publicly run alternative to the abuses of private insurance apparently doesn't seep through.
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Any characterization that the the House Bill WITH the Public Option is not an immense achievement is nonsense.




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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:05 PM
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14. sounds like John Boehner talking. LOL. a real humanitarian!!!!
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:40 PM
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6. Health Insurance Industry Spins Data in Fight Against Public Plan - Wash Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/21/AR2009072101677.html

The industry's stance against a public health plan revives shades of 1994, when it was instrumental in blocking President Bill Clinton's health-care proposals.

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"Insurers promise choice, they promise innovation, they promise a lot of things, but I think they've delivered very little," said Alan Sager, professor of health policy and management at Boston University. "I think net they give us very bad value for the 10 to 20 percent share of the health dollar they skim off the top."

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data from a Kaiser Family Foundation poll last year, compiled at the request of The Washington Post, suggest that the people who like their health plans the most are the people who use them the least.

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The level of satisfaction expressed with private insurance was essentially the same as that with Medicare, the government program for the elderly and disabled.

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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:42 PM
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34. Right and throw womens civil rights under the bus while you doing it....
and lets not forget that Obama thinks there should be a penalty if you don't buy insurance from these mighty corporations.
There is talk of prison for people who cannot buy unless that reason is pre-approved by the government.
This sucks.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:09 PM
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35. Barney Frank said it best: "on what planet do you spend most of your time?"
I shouldn't waste my time on you kooks. There is such a thing as deciding to be an idiot. I don't have much patience with that shit.

Choosing to check out on reality is a cop-out for cowards. Grow up.






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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:18 PM
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36. yes..you are being a coward...and refusing to look at any facts...
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 04:29 PM by winyanstaz
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/on-a-new-form-of-indentured-servitude/
"
The bill requires every American, with few exceptions, to carry health insurance. To enforce this individual mandate, the Senate Finance Committee created the excise tax as a penalty for people who don’t have insurance – and it can run as much as $3,800 a year per family.

The House bill also refers to the penalties for not carrying insurance as a tax. It calls for a “tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage” and amends the tax code to implement it."


Your fast to call names...and slow to learn....
Its obvious that as a male..you could give a shit less about womens civil rights.
So dont bother posting to my posts anymore you twit.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:40 PM
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40. and they're gonna throw people in jail," yeah, they are!" go scream in your corner.
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 05:16 PM by JohnWxy


No patience with this kindof shit.


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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:14 PM
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3. It's like Custer said,
we're kicking their ass!
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:55 PM
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8. Democrats who voted against public OPTION got $19 million from healthcare firms, lobbyists
http://www.usafricaonline.com/healhcare-public-option-democrats-doubleface/


Democrats who voted against public OPTION got $19 million from healthcare firms, lobbyists

By Muriel Kane/RawStory

Five Democratic members of the Senate Finance Committee who voted on Tuesday to shoot down a proposed public option for the health care reform bill — a measure which polls show is favored by 81% of Democrats — are coming under close scrutiny for their ties to the health care industry.
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Yeah, the Public Option is so worthless. That's why the Insurance industry is working so hard and spending millions to kill it.


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:27 PM
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4. Hype! Hype! Hype! By the immoral Congress with NO DELIVERY for anything but the HMOs.
:thumbsdown:
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:51 PM
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7. Weiner: AHIP Report Makes Strongest Case In Weeks For Public Option
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/12/weiner-ahip-report-makes_n_317561.html


One of the most high-profile progressives in the House of Representatives argued on Monday that a new insurance lobby report disparaging the Senate's main reform effort gives an unexpected and strong boost to hopes for passing a public option.

Appearing on MSNBC, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) was asked about the hot news of the day on the health care front: a new report commissioned by America's Health Insurance Plans, which concluded that, under the Senate Finance Committee's legislation, family premiums would rise more than $4,000.

While dismissing the report's findings as typical of an industry that seeks to protect its profits, the New York Democrat also made a fairly salient point. The analysis basically assumes that insurers will raise their rates because the finance committee won't make the pool of consumers more desirable for them. All of which lays out the logical case for providing consumers with a cheap and available alternative, set up and administered by the federal government.

"I think in a strange way and obviously they didn't mean this, the health insurance lobby fired the most important salvo in weeks for the option," said Weiner. "Because they have said clear as day... they'll raise rates 111%."

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So I guess you could count Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) "One of the most high-profile progressives in the House of Representatives" as supporting a feature of the bill which is just "hype".



I think it's safe to say the insurance industry would warm to your nagative message.



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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:16 PM
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22. It's not going to happen. You're being punked but you continue to believe that
many of these "legislators" truly give a damn about middle class America.

They don't ... our Congress already has EXCELLENT insurance coverage. This is all "a game" to them.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:57 PM
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24. If I was against HEalth care reform I would council giving up, just a you are. This also is one of
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 01:17 PM by JohnWxy
the tactics of the Corporate Lobbyist party whose constituency is corporations and the Truly wealthy. There are some Democrats who seem confused, have taken money from health care industry and act like Republicans. This is repugnant but no reason to give up.

The health insurance industry is trying every trick in the book including telling Dems (using fifth column types posing as dems) that Obama's approach isn't worth fighting for. It is worth fighting for if only for the fact that the insurance industry is fignting with everything it's got to kill the public option.

It's not sensible to council let's give up because this bill isn't perfect. In fact such a suggestion is suspect.




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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 06:09 PM
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9. Don't We Have a Fiction Forum for Stuff Like This? n/t
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:00 PM
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13. Here, read this: Obama Praises "Courageous" House Vote, link for your enjoyment
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/obama-praises-courageous-house-vote.html">Obama Praises "Courageous" House Vote

“For years we've been told that this couldn't be done. After all, neither chamber of Congress has been able to pass a comprehensive health insurance reform bill for generations,” the President said in remarks today in the Rose Garden, “But last night the House proved differently.”


I KNOW THERE IS MUCH GNASHING OF TEETH AND RENDING OF GARMENTS AMONG FASCIST CIRCLES.

LIKE I SAID...... FIGHTING TO SAVE CORPORATE PROFITS.
THE CORPORATE LOBBYISTS (REPUBLICANS) WERE SICKENING IN THERE TORRENTS HYSTERICAL LIES ABOUT A SENSIBLE PRACTICAL MEASURE, ALL BECAUSE THEY ARE PAID TO PROTECT CORPORATE PROFITS.

THEY STAND FOR THE PERVERSION OF PUBLIC SERVICE.



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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:19 PM
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23. President Obama is now part of the problem due in no small part to his
lack-luster leadership on this issue.

Our Party is going to be handed it's political ass in 2010 and 2012 because those "in charge" stand for nothing but MORE WAR and CORPORATE PROFITS.

Don't blame us liberals, look in the mirror when you flail about trying to find someone to blame.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:12 PM
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25. saying Dems are for corporate profits is of course a magnificent twisting of reality. The GOP
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 01:14 PM by JohnWxy
...THe Corporate Lobbyist party has always put corporate profits and power above the needs of avarage people.

Let's not turn reality upside down here. The Corporate Lobbyist party is for Corporate Feudalism, more commonly known as the Fascist political philosophy: Government for the corporations (actually OWNED by the corporations) rather than for the people.


I agree, Obama has shown too much willingness to compromise on P.O. and I have taken him too task about this in this forum. (some said I was being too tough on him) I have told many Dems that there can be "NO SUBSIDIES TO INSURANCE PROVIDERS IF THERE IS NO PUBLIC OPTION'.

I feel it should be HC REform WITH a Public Option or nothing. I feel that's better than signing up to Fraudulent HC reform. I think if we can't get a public option we should let it die. I believe voters will punish those who fought to kill the public option --- Republicans. With the "Opt out" provision in the Senate bill there is no excuse for any Democrats to not support and fight for the Public Option.

But I do not agree that it is acceptable to give up and let the Corporate Lobbyist Party have their day. WHY ON EARTH WOULD ANYBODY DO THAT! THAT'S CRAZY!







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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:10 PM
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31. Max Baucus is a Republican?
Claire McCaskill? Blanche Lincoln? Mary Landrieu? Ben Nelson? Amy Klobuchar?

I believe voters will punish those who fought to kill the public option --- Republicans.

Last I checked, a plan with a public option would have passed both House and Senate if the Democratic Party could corral all of their caucus into voting for it. Except they didn't, and now we're stuck with a choice between a piece-of-shit bill and no bill at all.

In that Hobson's choice, I pick no bill at all.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:02 PM
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21. Yeah, at least move it to GD:P.....
..om-Pom
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:53 PM
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27. I know Republican slime are trying to make this momentous passage of Health Care Reform out as
"not such a big deal". Of course, it IS a historic, big deal. That's why Republicans and their air-headed suck-ups (not YOU of course) are trying this tactic. The disinformation and fantasy spinning campaigns are moving into overdrive in Fascist circles. The fact that they are working so hard to try to minimize this achievement makes it obvious they realize it's importance.


REgarding the Public Option, a leading House Democrat progressive said the AHIP propaganda (the report paid for by the insurance companies used to threaten that premiums will go up if HC reform is passed) isa strong argument FOR THE PUBLIC OPTION.
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Weiner: AHIP Report Makes Strongest Case In Weeks For Public Option

One of the most high-profile progressives in the House of Representatives argued on Monday that a new insurance lobby report disparaging the Senate's main reform effort gives an unexpected and strong boost to hopes for passing a public option. (more)

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Yes, this was a big historic event. And it will build the momentum for a Public Option, so hated by the Insurance industry and their paid legislative assassins of the Corporate Lobbyist party.

ON MONDAY'S PBS's NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, Judy Woodruff interviewed Norm Orenstein of the American Enterprise Institute about the prograss of Health Care reform and the passage of a HCR bill by congress:

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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/july-dec09/healthcare_11-09.html
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JUDY WOODRUFF: Finally, let's put this in perspective, Norm. For all the problems that lie ahead, how significant -- how significant was the fact that it did pass the House of Representatives?

NORMAN ORNSTEIN: This was huge.

(more)
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 06:22 PM
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10. Stuff and Poppycock!
The problem with our healthcare system is healthcare insurance. The problem is reinforced and preserved for at least another decade by this bill.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:10 PM
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16. Perfection is nice .. in theory. In the practical, real world it doesn't get you very far.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:06 PM
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30. Washington is in a universe completely separate from reality.
Which is why, only in Washington could a taxpayer subsidy for the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries be characterized as meaningful reform. Perhaps, at this point in the trajectory of the American Empire, it's the best that we can expect from a system that has become completely self-serving and wholly dysfunctional.

What is more alarming is how many people out here, such as yourself, are willing to allow people to piss down your back and believe them when they tell you it's raining.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 06:31 PM
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11. do you actually think our representatves get the government
sponsored health insurance program? I'm quite sure that if they need treatment of any kind, every healthcare insurance company in the U.S. of A. is more than willing to pick up the "co-pay". The rest is a bullshit smokescreen.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 06:34 PM
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12. your daily dose of propaganda.....
?"But this victory took a heavy toll. The principle of separation of church and state had to be sacrificed to win this battle. And while the right of citizens to access to adequate, affordable health care was affirmed, the right of women to make their own health decisions became a casualty of this war. Some would say it was too heavy a price to pay. Most would agree it was certainly a costly compromise, a heavy ransom to pay."


"The principle of separation of church and state HAD to be sacrificed?..women's rights sacrificed..and this was a victory?
This was a farce and a crime.
sheesh...
It was a cowardly compromise and a slap in the face to women.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. thank you senator Shelby. Keep up the negative vomit. You're so good at it.
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 07:15 PM by JohnWxy
The most important thing is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it made.

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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:11 PM
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17. hmm sinceriy....if I ever find out what that means..I will get back to you...
I also cant help but notice you are male...I guess that is why throwing womens civil rights and health care under the bus is ok with you.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:32 PM
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18. Ok, I'm not so good at this typing thing. I recognized in OP that there is room for honest
debate on whether too much was paid to get this passed. I think it was a high price to pay. I didn't like that this was done. Was it worth it? I won't answer for others.

I think Religion should be kept out of public policy. (personally, I do not like it when people think they can decide what others should do with their lives.)

Often, we have to make compromises to get some results. I think it takes more guts to make some compromises to get progress than to hold out for the all you want and end up frequently, with much less. But that's just my opinion.

Oh, I meant "sincerity". If you are sincere, I take the Sen Shelby remark back (it's an awful insult).
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Thank you...and I apoligize for getting into a snoot about your spelling...
I am not a spelling nazi..I just use spell check a lot myself :P
I am sincere in my posts and in my life and sometimes too idealistic...but I do care a lot about others and I am very sensitive about others troubles.
I remember as a child all the women found dead from lack of abortion care and it shocked me deeply at the time.
I don't want my granddaughters to go through that kind of times if it ever came down to it.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:42 PM
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20. same here.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:33 PM
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26. Here you go, JohnWxy. Use this information wisely:
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:05 PM
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29. Republican crotch nuzzlers (not YOU of course) are desprately trying to portray the passage of
this bill as not-the-historic big deal that it obviously is. And it will build the momentum for a Public Option, so hated by the Insurance industry and their paid legislative assassins of the Corporate Lobbyist party.

Of course, it IS a historic, big deal. That's why Republicans and their air-headed suck-ups (not YOU of course) are trying this tactic. The disinformation and fantasy spinning campaigns are moving into overdrive in Fascist circles. The fact that they are working so hard to try to minimize this achievement makes it obvious they realize it's importance.


REgarding the Public Option, a leading House Democrat progressive said the AHIP propaganda (the report paid for by the insurance companies used to threaten that premiums will go up if HC reform is passed) isa strong argument FOR THE PUBLIC OPTION.
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Weiner: AHIP Report Makes Strongest Case In Weeks For Public Option

One of the most high-profile progressives in the House of Representatives argued on Monday that a new insurance lobby report disparaging the Senate's main reform effort gives an unexpected and strong boost to hopes for passing a public option. (more)

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This was a big historic event. And it will build the momentum for a Public Option, so hated by the Insurance industry and their paid legislative assassins of the Corporate Lobbyist party.

ON MONDAY'S PBS's NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, Judy Woodruff interviewed Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute about the prograss of Health Care reform and the passage of a HCR bill by congress:

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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/july-dec09/healthcare_11-09.html
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JUDY WOODRUFF: Finally, let's put this in perspective, Norm. For all the problems that lie ahead, how significant -- how significant was the fact that it did pass the House of Representatives?

NORMAN ORNSTEIN: This was huge.

(more)
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #29
37. Look you dont have to scream...we already know you could give a shit about women's rights.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. you're living in your own little world. I doubt if anybody can reach you. I won't try. I won't

waste my time on those who want to be idiots.

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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #26
33. "How significant was the fact that it did pass the House? Orenstein: "This was huge"
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 02:35 PM by JohnWxy

On The NewsHour Monday night, Judy Woodruff interviewed Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute about the progress of Health Care reform in congress:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/july-dec09/healthcare_11-09.html


Judy Woodruff; "Finally, let's put this in perspective, Norm. For all the problems that lie ahead, how significant -- how significant was the fact that it did pass the House of Representatives?

NORMAN ORNSTEIN: This was huge.
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Those who have no legitimate argument, no facts on their side always resort to personal attack. Interesting how the conservatives always end up resorting to insults and personal attacks.

CONSERVATIVE ..... just another way to spell IGNORANT. LOL


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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. oh..you mean like the personnal attacks you put on my post?
Your a hypocrite too.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. living in a world of your own making. don't waste my time. I'm not a psychiatrist. I can't help you
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:18 PM
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42. your posts speak for themselves...
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:03 PM
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28. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
The winners in this deal, if it goes through, are the health insurance and pharmaceutical companies, NOT regular people. What the Democratic House passed was more of a public subsidy for those industries than a boon for the American people.

And, when it falls flat in practice, it is the Democratic Party that will pay for it at the polls.

No matter how much Kiwi you use, you just can't polish a turd.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:26 PM
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32. you Republicans sure are running scared. I love it. you're so bored you had to post it! LOL
HOw's it going, denying reality? LOL.

You're really scared of that Public Option aren't you. Your owners, the insurance companies, won't be able to grow their profits at will. But keep hoping. The Republican legislative assassins are good at what they do - killing progress. Real health care reform is still a long shot. But what the insurance companies don't get is they will be signing their death warrant if Health Care reform doesn't pass.

If health care reform does not pass, maybe you are right. Your disinformation campaign may very well work and you'll find enough suckers to vote in the fascists who will lead them to slaughter (legislatively speaking). Less taxes for the wealthy, more for the average guy. No regulations of businesses leading to more financial bubbles and disasters.

You almost put us into the Great Derpression II this time. Now, fighting the Democrats efforts to save the country from the Repbublican Dystopia maybe you'll yet achieve making the Republican Dystopia into the Great Depression II.

And with many more people without health insurance because their employers couldn't afford it and dropped the group plans.

Ah Republicans, The American Taliban. Who needs Al Kaida when you have the Repubican party!


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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:38 PM
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43. It's true, the right wing media has and will continue to scream about government takeovers, etc.
I say well them out on it instead of ignoring them and hoping they'll magically go away.
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