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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:18 AM
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The Honduran coup: another US destabilization operation
The Honduran coup: another US destabilization operation

By Barry Grey and Rafael Azul
30 June 2009


While publicly opposing the military coup that ousted Honduran President Manuel Zelaya on Sunday, the Obama administration on Monday indicated that it will not cut off aid to the Central American country or demand Zelaya’s reinstatement.

Following a White House meeting with Washington’s closest Latin American ally, Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, President Obama reiterated the position that the ouster of Zelaya was illegal. However, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters at a State Department briefing that the US government was refraining from formally declaring the removal of Zelaya a “coup.”

Under the Foreign Assistance Act, no US aid can be given to a country whose elected head of government is removed by a military coup. The US is providing Honduras with $43 million in aid this year and maintains a major military presence in the country, including a base staffed by 600 US troops located 50 miles from the capital, Tegucigalpa. The US has also refrained from recalling its ambassador to Honduras.

Earlier on Monday, Clinton was asked whether the stated US goal of “restoring democratic order in Honduras” included returning Zelaya to the presidency. “We haven’t laid out any demands that we’re insisting on,” Clinton replied.

The official US line is that it attempted unsuccessfully to convince the Honduran military not to proceed with the coup. However, this amounts to a tacit acknowledgment that Washington was well aware of the coup plans.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jun2009/zela-j30.shtml
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:20 AM
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1. Why is everything our fault? Seriously? nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:26 AM
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3. What did we get from the fierce advocate of LGBT rights?
So why shouldn't we get the same double talk and betrayal when it comes to Latin America? Excellent analysis from WSWS, plus I posted elsewhere in DU that the US Air Force was by pure chance in Honduras on the weekend of the coup, supposedly for an air show and a hospital charity. Sure!

Has Obama said or done anything about closing the School of Americas? Nyet!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:40 AM
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4. Do you know the ops going down with the US gov't? I don't.
I have a nephew in the USCG who has been in South America more than once, and I don't know why.

I don't ask. But you don't have a clue, but continue to ASSUME.

Have at it.

I have another family member on a ship near North Korea. Let's presume what might happen with him.

Let's not. But pffft!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:47 AM
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5. The general that deposed the President was a graduate of School of Americas, and...
From US military website:

U.S. Air Force Teams Participate in Honduran Air Show, Donate Proceeds to Hospital

Posted On: Jun 26 2009 12:59PM
By Capt. Candace Park
12th Air Force Public Affairs

6/26/2009 - SAN PEDRO SULA, Honduras (AFNS) -- An international air show united aviators, air forces and Hondurans to share their love of flying to help save lives at a local hospital June 20 and 21 here.

More than 30 U.S. Air Forces Southern Airmen, a KC-135 Stratotanker, two F-16 Fighting Falcons and an F-16 demonstration team deployed to the Honduran Armando Escalon Air Base to participate in the show, which raised more than $35,000 for Mario Catarino Rivas Hospital here.

http://www.southcom.mil/appssc/news.php?storyId=1850

Isn't this a remarkable coincidence, or was this just a cover story?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:50 AM
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6. OMG! They participated in an airshow? The nerve!
Maybe that's what they were there for. You are borrowing trouble unless you can prove it.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 01:04 AM
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7. If Bush were President, you would be screaming there was a connection
But the Son of God, and betrayer of LGBTs, is President and you believe him despite the evidence to the contrary:

1. School of Americas remains open.

2. US refuses to refer to this as a coup, because: "Under the Foreign Assistance Act, no US aid can be given to a country whose elected head of government is removed by a military coup."

3. US knew there was a coup because: "The official US line is that it attempted unsuccessfully to convince the Honduran military not to proceed with the coup."

How come US did not warn the Honduran government that there was going to be a coup?

How come US is not demanding restoration of legitimate government?
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 09:15 PM
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21. Most likely this operation was scheduled long time ago
before Obama became president.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 01:18 AM
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10. Yeah. The Air Force just happens to be doing an air show IN HONDURAS
during the first military coup in all these years.

They're HUMANITARIANS.

LOL
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 01:57 AM
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14. As an aside: Air Force Commander, another SOA grad..
But obviously this is all a massive coincidence! Really..... they were just there as a, um.. what was the cover story again? Right, church fundraiser. Bake sale to help starving orphans. Kind humanitarians indeed.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 02:39 AM
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15. I know, what's up with the US = bad narratives?
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 02:40 AM by napoleon_in_rags
They just don't make sense. "US destabilizes Iran so they can advance a policy of not interfering in Iran, derail peaceful talks, accomplish nothing" or "US causes coup in South America so US can denounce coup in south America and demand return of president". These plots aren't striking me as very well thought out. And the reason is that they are probably not plots in the sense they are being projected. Could some shadowy US business interests/black op outside of congressional oversight have something to do with what happened in Honduras? Maybe. But they are NOT the US government if that is the case.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 02:49 AM
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16. Jeremy Scahill: A Few Thoughts on the Coup in Honduras
Published on Monday, June 29, 2009 by Rebel Reports

A Few Thoughts on the Coup in Honduras
by Jeremy Scahill


While the US has issued heavily-qualified statements critical of the coup—in the aftermath of the events in Honduras—the US could have flexed its tremendous economic muscle before the coup and told the military coup plotters to stand down. The US ties to the Honduran military and political establishment run far too deep for all of this to have gone down without at least tacit support or the turning of a blind eye by some US political or military official(s).

Here are some facts to consider: the US is the top trading partner for Honduras. The coup plotters/supporters in the Honduran Congress are supporters of the “free trade agreements” Washington has imposed on the region. The coup leaders view their actions, in part, as a rejection of Hugo Chavez’s influence in Honduras and with Zelaya and an embrace of the United States and Washington’s “vision” for the region. Obama and the US military could likely have halted this coup with a simple series of phone calls.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/29-11

Obama Must Strongly and Unequivocally Condemn the Coup in Honduras

By Roberto Lovato, AlterNet. Posted June 29, 2009.

The big difference between Iran and Honduras? President Obama and the U.S. can actually do something about a military crackdown that our tax dollars are helping pay for. That Vasquez and other coup leaders were trained at the WHINSEC, which also trained Augusto Pinochet and other military dictators responsible for the deaths, disappearances and tortures of hundreds of thousands in Latin America, sends profound chills across a region still trying to overcome decades of U.S.-backed militarism.

Hemispheric concerns about the coup were expressed in the rapid, historic and almost universal condemnation of the plot by almost all Latin American governments. Such concerns in the region represent an opportunity for the United States. But, while the Honduran coup represents a major opportunity for Obama to make real his recent and repeated calls for a "new" relationship to the Americas, failure to take actions that send a rapid and unequivocal denunciation of the coup will be devastating to the Honduran people -- and to the still-fragile U.S. image in the region.

http://www.alternet.org/world/140966/obama_must_strongly_and_unequivocally_condemn_the_coup_in_honduras/

June 29, 2009

Obama's Real Message to Latin America?

The Coup in Honduras

By NIKOLAS KOZLOFF


Zelaya, who sports a thick black mustache, cowboy boots and large white Stetson hat, was elected in late 2005. At first blush he hardly seemed the type of politician to rock the boat. A landowner from a wealthy landowning family engaged in the lumber industry, Zelaya headed the Liberal Party, one of the two dominant political parties in Honduras. The President supported the Central American Free Trade Agreement which eliminated trade barriers with the United States.

Despite these initial conservative leanings, Zelaya began to criticize powerful, vested interests in the country such as the media and owners of maquiladora sweatshops which produced goods for export in industrial free zones. Gradually he started to adopt some socially progressive policies. For example, Zelaya instituted a 60 per cent minimum wage increase which angered the wealthy business community. The hike in the minimum wage, Zelaya declared, would “force the business oligarchy to start paying what is fair.” “This is a government of great social transformations, committed to the poor,” he added. Trade unions celebrated the decision, not surprising given that Honduras is the third poorest country in the hemisphere and 70 per cent of its people live in poverty. When private business associations announced that they would challenge the government’s wage decree in Honduras’ Supreme Court, Zelaya’s Labor Minister called the critics “greedy exploiters.”

In another move that must have raised eyebrows in Washington, Zelaya declared during a meeting of Latin American and Caribbean anti-drug officials that drug consumption should be legalized to halt violence related to smuggling. In recent years Honduras has been plagued by drug trafficking and so-called maras or street gangs which carry out gruesome beheadings, rapes and eye gouging. “Instead of pursuing drug traffickers, societies should invest resources in educating drug addicts and curbing their demand,” Zelaya said. Rodolfo Zelaya, the head of a Honduran congressional commission on drug trafficking, rejected Zelaya’s comments. He told participants at the meeting that he was “confused and stunned by what the Honduran leader said.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff06292009.html


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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:10 AM
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17. I don't see anything here supporting US involvement.
I see that Zelaya pissed off economic interests in his country in the third post, which probably played in, but the idea that Honduras is a large important trading partner to the US doesn't ring true, though we may be to them. And as far as Obama being in favor of the coup, it doesn't make sense. Obama's stated strategy, which his policies have followed pretty well, is extending his hand to those who unclench their fists...Building alliances rather than projecting dominance. The advent of a coup of any sort in South America brings memories of cold war interventions, and works against Obamas stated policy objectives at the level of global perception, just as unrest in Iran brings memories of the 1953 US activities in Iran, and also works against the US in the realm of global perception. (especially after the Cairo speech)
So nothing has happened here that plays into American interests in a positive way that I can see. All the events have been polarizing, which doesn't benefit the United states at this moment in history when it needs to be focusing in on a few very important things.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:35 AM
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18. Here's a good read on it:
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 03:36 AM by napoleon_in_rags
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8125726.stm

The whole article is good, but look at this:


The removal of President Zelaya was expertly planned and orchestrated.

Yet, for its proponents, it might have been disastrously mistimed.

They are now left in nominal charge of a country. Their nemesis has been turned into a symbol of Central America's long, unhappy, struggle against military dictatorship.

And questions remain as to whether, assuming it was his intention, he really could have altered the Honduran Constitution in order to prolong his rule.


When I look at this situation, this country had the opportunity to replace the guy completely and cleanly in a matter of months, without all the mess and bad drama.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 09:38 PM
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22. during that time zelaya could sing treaties and commercial agreements
that could affect the interest of some US corporations.

Recently there was a tour in south america to promote right wing politicians in countries like Argentina and Venezuela. The tour was originated in Miami, that may ring a bell.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 08:44 PM
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20. Umm, because we've run Honduras for a century? Because our military runs theirs?
Honduras is like a vassal state of the U.S. We have a huge airbase outside Tegucigalpa that most people don't know about. It provides us the ability to use our air force and military anywhere in Central American and the western Caribbean.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:25 AM
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2. It's going to get pretty embarrassing when everyone but Hillary (edit)
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 12:26 AM by EFerrari
withdraws their diplomats.

ETA: The link is broken.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 01:07 AM
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8. Why is Otto Reich on the SOA Board?
Why has Obama kept around this neocon war criminal?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 01:20 AM
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11. They're still all over the place. And they will be until we prosecute
the war criminals.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 01:54 AM
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13. most likely because 'business as usual' likes 'business as usual'
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 01:12 AM
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9. According to WSWS, the response of MSM is indicator of US policy
An unmistakable indicator of the real attitude of the Obama administration to the events in Honduras is the response of the US media. The media, led by the New York Times, immediately embraced the claims of the Iranian opposition that the election had been rigged and a coup had been carried out, without presenting any concrete evidence to support the allegations. It provided nonstop coverage of antigovernment demonstrations, and proclaimed the dissident faction of the clerical regime to be heading a “green revolution” for democracy.

In contrast, the US media has provided only minimal coverage of a real coup in Honduras. It has barely reported the police-state measures, arrests and beatings carried out by the Honduran military, and treated the anti-coup protests with utter indifference. On Monday evening, the events in Honduras were relegated to a mere mention on all three network news broadcasts, well behind the death of Michael Jackson.

What accounts for this stark contrast? The simple fact that the US government opposes the victor in the Iranian election and supports those who ousted Zelaya in Honduras.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jun2009/zela-j30.shtml
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 01:45 AM
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12. excellent article, thanks
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 01:46 AM by Alamuti Lotus
saw their earlier coverage but did not notice this follow-up examination until now.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 12:51 AM
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19. Obama and Uribe were just talking up the US-Colombia Free Trade Agreement
That agreement has been stalled by the Democrats in Congress over human rights concerns ever since Bush signed it two and a half years ago. Now Obama is the one meeting with Uribe and talking about how much improvement there's been in Columbia -- just the same as the Bush people were doing back in 2005.

My guess is that Obama thinks he can throw the Chamber of Commerce a few bones on foreign trade in exchange for them not crapping all over his domestic agenda. I suspect he's wrong about that -- at least when it comes to the Employee Free Choice Act -- but even if he's right, it still sucks. It would be roughly equivalent to Truman agreeing to create the national security state in 1948 in exchange for the Republicans not dismantling the New Deal. It made a certain amount of sense at the time, but there's been hell to pay ever since.

I like Obama. I think his heart's in the right place, by and large. But I also think that in the name of pragmatism he's prepared to sell out certain parts of his agenda in the name of passing other parts -- and it can't possibly work. Just as freedom is indivisible, so is progressivism. You can't be progressive at home but not overseas, and you can't be progressive for some people and not for others.

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