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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:51 AM Original message |
Shootings are insane, but so is response |
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Possumpoint (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
1. Go Read The Second Amendment |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I'm not 'dropping' anything. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. You could say the same thing about any gun. |
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Possumpoint (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
20. Go Ahead, Keep Pushing |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. The most popular civilian target rifles in America are "good for nothing except killing people"? |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #49 |
93. Every countries infantry units carry assault rifles/weapons. They are for killing. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. And those weapons are NOT available to U.S. civilians. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Ignore the misrepresentation of the Constitution by the RW, the NRA, & the corporatocracy? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
43. So the 2nd is the only collective right in the Bill of Rights? |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Oh, for Christ's sake... |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. +1 |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. *NOT ok with banning rifles that look scary* |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Rifles that LOOK scary? Are you referring to assault weapons? |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. They make several normal semi-auto rifles LOOK like military weapons. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. If by "more popular", you mean 0.000001% of gun owners own them, |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Civilian "assault weapons" are the most popular civilian rifles in the United States |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Yes, you're right.. "the Constitution isn't arbitrary or subject to the vagaries of fashion" |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Rambo used a full auto M60, a big knife, and big 1980's hair, |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
50. You are confusing military automatic weapons with civilian non-automatics. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. And the 3rd one looks like it could unleash a hail of bullets |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. No, it doesn't. It looks like a rifle with a black polymer stock... |
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cleaner72 (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
95. 2nd amendment |
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VPStoltz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Yeah, FIRST go to school to learn to read and then SECOND, read the amendment. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Um, no, that's not the case at all. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. The same court that "clearly enunciated" the selection of Bush in 2000. right? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
96. I mean the decision that all of the left-leaning justices agreed with... |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Wow. Two hundred years of constitutional law trumped by one DU poster. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
60. IT IS NOT QUALIFIED |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. You READ it! Why can't I own a fully automatic assault |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
51. No one is trying to repeal the National Firearms Act or the Gun Control Act. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. Like most absolutists who post stupid things to justify their obsessions |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
44. Consider the words "well-regulated" |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Let's go there, shall we? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
66. I have read it. It begins "A well-regulated militia..." |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Read other historical documents.. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
88. nominate a judge to the supreme court who has a shitty rating from the NRA |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. Here's a K and an R babylonsister, before the DU Gun Lobby takes over this post.... |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Thanks, and they've already started. nt |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Seconded. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Thirded |
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Redneck Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
6. Hey Tucker! You're an idiot. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
61. the "gun lobby canard" |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
7. So what other Constitutional Rights are you willing to give up in the name of expediency. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. How about the right not to be intimidated by a standing army? |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. wtf? |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. And that's your problem. |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
74. Actually, I have owned guns for 57 years and up until this very week was never an NRA member |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Thank you for supporting the GOP. |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Fuck you. I campaigned for Obama in a place where it was unpopular. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. My problem is with troglodites who think murder is OK |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Horse. Fucking. Shit. Nobody here supports murder and the fact that you even ACCUSE anyone of |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Like it or not, your actions have consequences. |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
13. We try to hold a good line between individual freedom and government protection. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Question: what exactly are assault weapons good for? |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. "why gun enthusiasts think assault weapons are A-OK?" |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. The assault weapon ban wasn't about assault weapons |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
98. And as usual I will chime in here |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Hunting, target shooting, home defense |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Excellent for turning rodents into a fine red mist. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. You're ignorance is showing |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
75. Trying to educate people about guns when they've already made up their minds and |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:45 AM Response to Reply #30 |
89. Would those "Heller" cases include the California and New York state bans on AW's? nt |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #89 |
94. I know that the chicaco ban on handguns is pending.. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Hunting, target shooting, plinking golf balls, self protection, .. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
52. Competitive and recreational target shooting, small game hunting, defensive purposes. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
62. constitutional rights |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
19. you do`t understand "shall not be infringed" means? |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. "People" is a collective noun. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Law scholars don't agree with you.. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. One guy - who happens to be an extreme RW Republican nutcase. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. How about Akhil Reed Amar, Saul Cornell, Leonard Levy, Jack Ravoke, Laurence Tribe.. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. Akhil Reed Amar, John Yoo's mentor? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. So more inpugn the source.. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Have you found anyone to cite who are not RW tools? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Poor poor baldguy.. |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. If he knew 9 more things, he would be an idiot. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. So, the answer is "no"? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. *snort* here's an easy one.. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
64. you are wrong |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Same thing. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. only people who understand political philosophy |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. thank you for quoting prof. volokh |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. You forgot the sarcasm tag.... |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
35. Error: You've already recommended that thread. |
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thelordofhell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
37. The question that should be asked is..... |
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Still Sensible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
38. At the risk of stating the obvious |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. The NRA won't be happy until everyone is dead. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. Correction: The NRA won't be happy until everyone is ARMED & dead. |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. Okay, what is your "solution" to the "problem" you're obviously "concerned" about? |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
65. rubbish |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
76. The only reason some people care about dead people is if they're dead by firearms. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
99. But 48 percent of the population |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. The line was settled by compromise long ago. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
45. "Weapons of war" are ALREADY tightly controlled. |
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AbortTheRight (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
86. Why is it that... |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Why were witches burned? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:01 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Because of taking action based on baseless fearmongering. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:46 AM Response to Reply #45 |
90. Sorry, but that old canard wont work in several states where assualt weapons are banned. n/t |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:58 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. What are you talking about? |
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