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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 08:27 AM
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The Red Cross Torture Report: What It Means
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 08:50 AM by Snazzy
A note from Snazzy: I was originally going to post just the table of contents of the ICRC report, which all Americans should read to witness how the CIA tortures people in their name.

I thought that the table of contents alone unmasks how the United States of America has devolved into a brutal torturing regime. And I believe that is a fairly objective statement. The ICRC also says so, in their reserved way, and calls for investigations, but it turns out that the ICRC report doesn't allow copy and paste. The full pdf is here (about 40 pages):

http://www.nybooks.com/icrc-report.pdf

Should you actually read the text, which you should since you are the one paying for this torture with your tax dollars, you will find that what has been done is far far worse than anything reported in the media. There is no coverage; the tapes are destroyed so no pictures too. They, yes the mighty "they," are going to try to hide this. They cannot hide it because it is so evil and reprehensible that it cannot but come out. We as a society must deal with this, which is Danner's (the below excerpted article's author, and the guy who obtained the ICRC "secret" report) main point.

Danner's article is nuanced, subtle and lengthy--and not very well suited to a fair use soundbite. He has several interesting points.

One idea which he gets into right away explains Cheney's recent flurry of media appearances as a set up for "I told you so." The media/pr logic of that being if we scale back authoritarian policies of the Bush years, and something bad happens via terrorism, then that's why you need republicans, massive defense spending, wars, curtailed civil liberties and, of course, torture.


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Volume 56, Number 7 · April 30, 2009
The Red Cross Torture Report: What It Means
By Mark Danner
ICRC Report on the Treatment of Fourteen "High Value Detainees" in CIA Custody
by the International Committee of the Red Cross


43 pp., February 2007

...

How to inflict pain without causing injury that might inhibit or prevent further interrogation? And how to do so in such a way that the pain inflicted might be said not to be akin to that "associated with serious physical injury so severe that death, organ failure, or permanent damage resulting in a loss of significant body function will likely result"? This was of course the legal definition of torture concocted by White House and Justice Department lawyers (and codified in what has come to be known as the "Torture Memo," written by John Yoo and signed by Jay Bybee on August 1, 2002). The challenging task set before these lawyers was to somehow "make legal" a set of techniques that had originated in a program developed expressly to prepare soldiers for techniques that were illegal, and thereby to offer officials and interrogators a "golden shield" that would suffice to convince them they would be protected from legal consequences.)

In answer to these questions, and with the benefit of experimentation, especially on Mr. Abu Zubaydah, one of the first of the alleged "big fish" al-Qaeda captives, the CIA seems to have arrived at a method that is codified by the International Committee of the Red Cross experts into twelve basic techniques, as follows:

* Suffocation by water poured over a cloth placed over the nose and mouth...
* Prolonged stress standing position, naked, held with the arms extended and chained above the head...
* Beatings by use of a collar held around the detainees' neck and used to forcefully bang the head and body against the wall...
* Beating and kicking, including slapping, punching, kicking to the body and face...
* Confinement in a box to severely restrict movement...
* Prolonged nudity...this enforced nudity lasted for periods ranging from several weeks to several months...
* Sleep deprivation...through use of forced stress positions (standing or sitting), cold water and use of repetitive loud noises or music...
* Exposure to cold temperature...especially via cold cells and interrogation rooms, and...use of cold water poured over the body or...held around the body by means of a plastic sheet to create an immersion bath with just the head out of water.
* Prolonged shackling of hands and/or feet...
* Threats of ill-treatment, to the detainee and/or his family...
* Forced shaving of the head and beard...
* Deprivation/restricted provision of solid food from 3 days to 1 month after arrest...

...


Snazzy again: I am also excerpting a small part below dealing, in my judgment, with an idea I have just seen recently in the press about Rumsfield demanding "metrics" much like the infamous body counts in Vietnam. I think this will become very important in understanding that this fish stank from the head. Like I said, this article doesn't excerpt well, read the report and the article when you have about an hour free.


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...

The initial panicked rush to "round up prisoners," which was replicated in Iraq during the first months of the insurgency in the summer and fall of 2003, led to what Wilkerson calls an "ad hoc intelligence philosophy" developed to "justify keeping many of these people, called the mosaic philosophy."

Simply stated, this philosophy held that it did not matter if a detainee were innocent. Indeed, because he lived in Afghanistan and was captured on or near the battle area, he must know something of importance.... All that was necessary was to extract everything possible from him and others like him, assemble it all in a computer program, and then look for cross-connections and serendipitous incidentals—in short, to have sufficient information about a village, a region, or a group of individuals, that dots could be connected and terrorists or their plots could be identified.

Thus, as many people as possible had to be kept in detention for as long as possible to allow this philosophy of intelligence gathering to work. The detainees' innocence was inconsequential.

I saw the consequences of this policy in Iraq, in the fall of 2003, when "neighborhood sweeps" and "cordon and capture operations" in "hot areas" led to wholesale arrests of young men. These men, about whom nothing was known apart from the fact that they were young and lived in a neighborhood deemed "hot," were flex-cuffed, hooded, and promptly sent to Abu Ghraib, where they...sat. Interrogators were overwhelmed, mostly with prisoners who simply had no intelligence to impart. The interrogators were well aware of this, of course, but in part because officers of the combat units who made the arrests sat on the boards that had to approve prisoner releases, it was almost impossible to release prisoners once they had been brought to Abu Ghraib. "Certain military intelligence officers told the ICRC," according to a 2004 Red Cross report on Abu Ghraib, "that in their estimate between 70 percent and 90 percent of the persons deprived of their liberty in Iraq had been arrested by mistake."

...

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22614


{EDIT found a section similar to ICRC TOC, added that.}
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 08:30 AM
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1. I'm a proud American citizen
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 08:31 AM by 90-percent
And I'm so happy all my tax dollars during the Bush years helped pay for my country violating it's own Constitution and torturing, and stripping people of their human rights.

All the principals all American soldiers thought they were fighting for all these centuries ARE NO LONGER APPLICABLE!

ALL AMERICANS ARE TORTURERS NOW!

Can't you all just feel that hot dripping red blood dripping down our collective hands? Yeah! Feels GOOD!

-90% Jimmy
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:14 AM
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2. It Means Obama Is Driving The Torture Getaway Car
Hiding behind the legalistic rationalizations of Greg Craig and Eric Holder is no different than doing it behind John Yoo and Jay Bybee.

The treaty-bound, affirmative duty is to ACT to report and put a stop to it; and then to prosecute all perpetrators. And this is on suspicion, not "when (I can no longer deny that) all the facts are in."

And "degrading" treatment is just as much a crime as waterboarding. (Funny how that gets forgotten.)

If you rationalize these atrocities into political-business-as-usual, you put yourself on the hook.

A hook Obama, et. al. have been http://talkingimpeachment.com/blog/Hall-of-Shame-Inductee----Barak-Obama.html">hanging on for literally years.

PS: Defending the Torture Team makes you a member.

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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 12:40 AM
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3. a few reactions
Edited on Thu Apr-09-09 01:02 AM by Snazzy
(trying to keep this stuff together)

ACLU:

Full ICRC Report Further Underscores Extent Of Torture And Abuse By U.S. Officials
Justice Department Should Appoint Independent Prosecutor And Turn Over Torture Memos, Says ACLU


NEW YORK - April 7 - A full report from the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) made public late Monday on the treatment of detainees in U.S. custody further underscores the extent of the systemic and far-reaching use of torture by American personnel and provides further evidence of the need for accountability for government officials who broke the law.

In light of this report – the newly revealed portions of which emphasize the role played by medical personnel in torture and abuse – the American Civil Liberties Union renews its call for the Justice Department to appoint an independent prosecutor to investigate the authorization of torture at CIA prisons and for the release of several legal memoranda used by the Bush administration to justify it. The memos, authored by former Office of Legal Counsel officials Steven Bradbury and Jay Bybee and demanded as part of an ACLU Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, supplied the legal framework for the Bush administration's interrogation program. The deadline for the government to release the memos or justify withholding them is April 16.

The ACLU, through its John Adams Project with the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, has worked with under-resourced military lawyers to provide legal counsel for several of the Guantánamo detainees whose treatment was addressed in the ICRC report.

The following can be attributed to Jameel Jaffer, Director of the ACLU National Security Project:

"The ICRC report provides further confirmation of the systemic use of torture against prisoners in CIA custody and underscores that the CIA's torture program was endorsed and authorized at the highest levels of the Bush administration. The Justice Department must now make good on President Obama's commitment to transparency by making public the legal memos that supplied the basis for the CIA's torture program. It's also imperative that the Justice Department appoint an independent prosecutor to conduct a criminal investigation. Government officials who violated the law should not be shielded from investigation. Transparency and accountability are critical to the restoration of the rule of law."


http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2009/04/07-14

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Greenwald:

...

On a very related note: last night, The New York Review of Books published the full report of the International Committee of the Red Cross (.pdf), which documented in detail the brutal torture to which the 14 "high-value" detainees whom we disappeared into our CIA "black sites" were subjected and demanded "that the US authorities investigate all allegations of ill-treatment and take steps to punish the perpetrators, where appropriate." As Scott Horton notes, the ICRC does not call for investigations and prosecutions easily, but rather, "only where the evidence of criminal conduct is manifest." Yet Obama's handpicked CIA Director, Leon Panetta, continues to demand that there be no investigations of any kind, let alone prosecutions. As a CIA spokesperson told the New York Times yesterday in response to the ICRC report:

Mr. Panetta "has stated repeatedly that no one who took actions based on legal guidance from the Department of Justice at the time should be investigated, let alone punished." The C.I.A.'s interrogation methods were declared legal by the Justice Department under President George W. Bush.

.

Accompanying the ICRC report was an article by Mark Danner, the superb journalist who obtained the ICRC Report and disclosed it. In his article, Danner describes the grave dangers from preserving ongoing secrecy surrounding Bush/Cheney crimes (h/t bystander; emphasis added):

Barack Obama may well assert that "the facts don't bear out," but as long as the "details of it" cannot be revealed "without violating classification," as long as secrecy can be wielded as the dark and potent weapon it remains, Cheney's politics of torture will remain a powerful if half-submerged counter-story, waiting for the next attack to spark it into vibrant life.

As Danner suggests, it is simply impossible for Obama to "turn the page" on (let alone reverse) the dark Bush/Cheney era of profound crimes while he simultaneously turns himself into the prime agent suppressing the facts surrounding those crimes and vigorously shielding the criminals from all investigation and accountability.

....

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/07/secrecy/

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Sullivan:
08 Apr 2009 12:54 pm
The Red Cross Torture Report

You can download it here. It is the most damning and credible indictment of the American government to appear in years - more damning because it was prepared in the usual secrecy and not intended as a public document; more damning because it comes not from Jane Mayer or Mark Danner or Dana Priest or this blog, but from the most credible and respected human rights watchdog in the world: the International Committee for the Red Cross. It is broad, meticulous evidence of pre-meditated, illegal, and immoral war crimes that were then subject to cover-up and lies at the highest levels. It makes Nixon's crimes look petty. You no longer have any excuse to look away or move on.

Either America deals with this or it does not. It is a test of character and integrity for the country and for the political elite. It is a test for the new president.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/the-red-cross-torture-report.html

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Froomkin:


How Many Others Were Tortured?

The International Committee of the Red Cross's blistering, confidential 2007 report on the CIA's secret prisons is now available online, Web-published by journalist Mark Danner, who last month recounted its gruesome descriptions of the brutal tactics used on detainees -- and its authoritative conclusion that their treatment amounted to torture.

News stories this morning dwell on the report's finding that medical personnel at the prisons took part in the torture of detainees, in gross violation of both their own professional ethics and international law.

But the report, which was based on interviews with the 14 "high value" detainees transferred from the secret prisons to Guantanamo in September 2006, also raises and expresses "grave concerns" about a very significant unanswered question: What happened to all the other detainees who passed through the secret CIA prisons who we still don't know about?

In 2006, President Bush himself acknowledged that "many" other detainees who were held at the CIA prisons were later returned to their home countries. The ICRC report says those detainees may well have been tortured as well -- but the ICRC doesn't know, because those detainees have have never been found.

...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/white-house-watch/looking-backward/007how-many-others-were-tortured.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

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Newsweek in another thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=439502&mesg_id=439502

and see Seton Hall Law Students Reveal That Generals Knew Guantanamo Detainees Were Tortured--more open source details collected and the case that multiple Generals lied publically about Gitmo torture:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x439122
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 08:46 PM
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4. thank you for the updates
bookmarking for reference
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:14 AM
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6. Cheers. If I could afford the ink
I'd be printing up copies of the ICRC report and sticking under people doors.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:21 AM
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7. link to L Coyote's thread
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:12 AM
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5. America, Torture and Hypocrisy
Published on Friday, April 10, 2009 by Consortium News
America, Torture and Hypocrisy

by Robert Parry

...

The 41-page ICRC report, dated Feb.14, 2007, depicts scenes that could have come from the Middle Ages: naked prisoners forced to stand for long periods with their hands shackled over their heads or strapped to a bench while subjected to the drowning sensation of waterboarding or locked in tiny boxes as they scream and soil themselves.

The scenes reek of sadism, as if President Bush took some perverse pleasure in inflicting pain and humiliation on these people, much like an ancient king getting satisfaction in a grotesque punishment against someone who dared to challenge his authority. There was a similar sense of sick joy in the way Bush reacted to the hanging of Iraq's Saddam Hussein on Dec. 30, 2006.

But what is perhaps most significant about Official Washington's blasé attitude toward the disclosures about Bush's hearty embrace of the dark side is that it is part of a pattern: the nation's elites have long reacted to evidence of American complicity in torture and war crimes with a convenient blindness and a huge supply of double standards.

...

Only an outraged populace - Americans who believe that their country should live up to the high standards that it demands of others - could force the politicians to finally take seriously the need for accountability in the face of war crimes and to prosecute those responsible for the worst offenses, however high their rank.

That wouldn't make the United States all that special - other countries have faced up to dark chapters of their own history, most recently Peru in convicting ex-President Alberto Fujimori on April 7 for his role in a political death squad.

But the prosecution of George W. Bush's war crimes would show that America is a land of integrity that means what it says about human rights, not just a place for self-congratulatory hypocrisy.

....

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/04/10-2
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