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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 04:20 AM
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Laura Rozen: Inside AEI's Bunker. 'exile won't be so bad','neocons effective from the sidelines.'
Inside AEI's Bunker
By Laura Rozen

January 7, 2009

As darkness fell over the nation's capital one evening last fall, a diminutive, gray-bobbed academic lectured a rapt audience at the headquarters of the American Enterprise Institute. Dressed in a modest navy-blue skirt suit and black pumps, 86-year-old neoconservative matriarch Gertrude Himmelfarb seemed fragile behind the polished wood podium. A respected scholar of Victorian-era political philosophy, she is also the wife of neoconservative godfather Irving Kristol and mother of Bill Kristol, who was once Dan Quayle's chief of staff and is now a New York Times columnist and editor of the Weekly Standard, whose offices can be found just a few floors below.

In a Q&A following Himmelfarb's talk on British philosopher Edmund Burke, former Rumsfeld deputy and Iraq War booster Paul Wolfowitz, now an aei visiting scholar, was among those with a hand aloft, asking what Burke might have thought about the use of terror in the French Revolution. The entire proceedings had an elegiac, amberlike quality: The sun was setting fast on the recent era of neoconservative dominance, for which this very conference room—named after Albert Wohlstetter, the late nuclear strategist who inspired Stanley Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove—often served as ground zero.

It was here that journalists and diplomats gathered dozens of times over the past seven years to see the likes of Pentagon adviser Richard Perle and Iraqi exile Ahmad Chalabi argue for regime change at aei's "black coffee briefings." They came to listen as Iran-Contra alum Michael Ledeen made the case for overthrowing the mullahs, and as John Bolton, then Bush's nonproliferation czar, argued for a confrontational approach to North Korea, Iran, Libya, and Cuba. If there was a factory for the Bush administration's first-term foreign policy misadventures, this was it.

Now these hawks are anticipating a long, cold winter, courtesy of an Obama administration whose internationalist view of national security—from an avowed willingness to talk with hostile regimes to an Iraq drawdown—is often anathema to neocon doctrine. What will this estrangement from power bring? "We'll do what we did in the 1990s, with things like the Project for the New American Century," says Thomas Donnelly, an aei military expert and former senior fellow with pnac, a Bill Kristol-led advocacy group that spent the Clinton years pushing for the US to take out Saddam Hussein. "We have a core set of beliefs that is pretty much intact: that American power is a good thing and should be exercised."

On behalf of those beliefs, they'll be watching Obama like, well, hawks for any sign of weakness. "The easiest way to get traction is if the other side does something which lacks broad public support," notes Patrick Clawson, deputy director for research at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a pro-Israel think tank, citing President Bill Clinton's early struggles with gays in the military as an example.

Maybe exile won't be so bad. After all, the neoconservatives, so effective from the sidelines, fell from grace after their ideas were battle tested in the real world. The movement's maximalist theories haven't fared well amid the mine-laden politics of the Middle East and the messy bureaucratic realities of US policymaking. Asked whether the hawks fault themselves, in part, for the recent power shift, Donnelly instead blamed Washington's entrenched bureaucracies and, ultimately, the president. "The deep irony of this is, you get a guy like Bush, who was not exactly Mr. Neocon, to begin pursuing the right policy. At the same time, he has done so in such an incompetent fashion so as to discredit not only his conduct of the war, but the principles under which it was fought," he says. In a postelection email, Donnelly seemed energized: "The boil's been lanced, and I'm ready to get back into action. The argument for the soul of the Republican Party...should be big fun. Much better than trying to poke the Bushies into doing the right thing and explaining to people like you that they're not as bad as they seem."

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http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2009/01/outfront-red-hawks-down.html
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 04:59 AM
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1. Pure Evil, having worked its deeds, denies any responsiblity whatever.
Go ahead and fight for that soul of the Republican Party. It died almost four decades ago, thanks substantially to these very same people.
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 06:16 AM
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5. would you want the puke soul?
Can you imagine what one of their vile souls would be like in the flesh?
ewwww.
The cons can have it.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 05:17 AM
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2. The frightening thing is the Bushies DID have de facto control of the nation while Clinton sat on
Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 05:18 AM by tom_paine
the throne.

In retrospect, it's quite obvious. Don't get me wrong, Clinton was a fine moderate Republican President, and would have been fine if the System of Checks and Balances was strong and healthy, not literally on death's doorstep with fewer people that ever believing the Official Story about ANYTHING (even if they don't understand why this is happening to them)

But the Bushies ran the nation anyway. They drove the legislation, their lobbyists wrote the legislation and Clinton signed most of the legislation. Clinton's own achievemnts were limited to the ecomony, which oly helps the Bushies if no other action is taken.

It's like getting the car taken out for a tune-up and wash before the thief comes by and steals it.

I am getting concerned, because it looks like that is EXACTLY what Obama is about to do.

In which case, enjoy the brief rest before the next Bushie, maybe Jeb, maybe a non-family Bushie Courtier, takes the throne and picks up right where they left off as if they were never gone.

I hope I am wrong about this, but it is looking less and less like that every day.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 05:25 AM
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3. Save for a rainy day.
Get control of those deficits so the next neocon junta can better afford to rain down more bombs and missiles on countries that do not threaten us.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 05:52 AM
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4. I don't want to believe it, and won't until Obama has governed for at least a year.
But the SMELL, rhetorically-speaking, is Clinton Redux.

Which means little to NO help in countering the long-term threat of BushPutinist Inverted Totalitarianism.

It is not certain, but the early indications are VERY BAD.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 08:15 AM
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6. obama will continue the neo-liberal agenda
he will govern right down the center...a few crumbs for everyone
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 08:35 AM
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8. In that case, the Old American Republic is a walking corpse, a la "Weekend at Bernie's"
Who's that beauty in the delightful shade of goth green makeup that Dick Cheney is dancing with? He says she is the youngest, most vivacious woman he has ever danced with, though she is VERY shy and doesn't talk at all.

I believe him.


:sarcasm:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 08:20 AM
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7. Kudos and a critique. You make good points, but we are making a mistake
by always blaming the Bushes. Who is the public person behind them? James Baker and who behing him - tons - all of the Federalist Society, other foundations and associations and the key barons running the world and pushing of a One World Order. If all the Bushes were gathered for a reunion and a tsunami hit and wiped them out, things would zip along. They are just the ones who have allowed themselves to be in the forefront while fighting and making a spectacle of themselves with all the truth and pieces fitting together that keep coming out.

We really need to keep focused on where this is all coming from.

This statement is perfect and should be repeated endlessly -

" ,,,, with fewer people that ever believing the Official Story about ANYTHING (even if they don't understand why this is happening to them)"

If he betrays the little people, it's going to be tough for everyone.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 08:42 AM
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9. My bad. I guess I need to explain my terminology. "Bushies" refers to not just the
criminal Bush Family and their henchperson, but what is now clear is a long line of Bushie-type tyrants stretching back into history through at least Medeval Europe and possibly before.

So, my definition of Bushies would stand for the group that the Bushies have always been, the top 0.01% that views us as little more than animals and always has.

Bushies were in Germany 1933 and in England 1558. German Bushies murdered Jews by the millions, American Bushies tried to overthrow FDR and ally with the Nazis, then turned around and made us Jews(or enticed us) their greatest helpers 70 years later.

Either God or the Bushies has a cruel sense of humor in THAT choice.

My apologies. If only I had a Cable TV Infoganda channel, EVERYONE would be speaking MY WAY and thinking MY WAY (the other 1% could be ignored), and everyone would know MY TERMS.

It must be quite a rush to be a Bushie, owning your own Reality-Bending Machine. And now you know what I mean in the larger sense, when I say "Bushie" (though it also refers to the Bush Family and Henchpersons, too).
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 12:21 PM
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12. Got it. Maybe a cut and paste definition or a shortuct click at the bottom?
So that othere may learn what you just shared. Thanks.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 09:52 PM
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15. There was a series on ABC last year, called _Traveler_, about a
Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 10:09 PM by tblue37
"Fourth Branch" of government, which controlled the country for the oligarchs--from the beginning of the country--so this "democracy" thing couldn't get out of hand. The show even identified the intelligence community and Homeland Security as places where their power was concetrated, though in hidden groups within the organizations.

It was a good (and paranoid) show, and I think it was very promising, but ratings were low, so it was cancelled. Did any of you ever see it?
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 09:04 AM
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10. The Fourth Estate failed the American people.
There is only one faction of our democratic state that can effectively counter the extreme policies of the neo-cons and others of their ilk. That is the Fourth Estate. The Media Quislings' silence has been deafening as they failed to challenge the outright lies the neo-con extremists have been able to perpetuate over these eight long years. Their cowardliness has brought America to the point of ruination.

The tragic situation that America finds itself in is the direct result of the failure of the media to inform the public of the evil intentions of the neo-cons. Rather than countering their propaganda they actually facilitated it. In fact, the media continues to provide those such as Clifford May and the degenerate Krauthammer, both avowed members of the PNAC, a voice in their newspapers to spread their evil philosophy virtually unopposed.

Where was the media when the Bush administration installed numerous members of the PNAC in top positions in administration and allowed them to take us to a war that they told us that they were determined to launch years before the were able to steal the 2000 election.

The Fourth Estate failed us miserably when they failed to inform the public of the clear intentions of the Bush administration. And it continues to fail us when it refuses to expose the evil intentions of these radical war mongers. Rather than being totally discredited, they are being allowed to spew their propaganda unopposed providing them a degree of credibility that they couldn't muster on their own. The limp wristed spineless journalists who dominate the press are a disgrace to the founders of our Republic who opening and courageously dared to challenge the King's propagandists. They were fully cognizant that a free press that was determined to keep the citizens informed was imperative if the Republic was to survive.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 09:06 AM
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11. Yeah, war crimes trials "won't be so" bad either. nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 08:29 PM
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13. Color me...
DUH
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 08:50 PM
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14. I don't know what crystal ball he's lookin in, neocons will be a solid part of the Obama team
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