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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:34 PM
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Glenn Greenwald: Demands for War Crimes Prosecutions Are Now Growing in The Mainstream
Published on Friday, December 19, 2008 by Salon.com
Demands for War Crimes Prosecutions Are Now Growing in The Mainstream

by Glenn Greenwald

For obvious reasons, the most blindly loyal Bush followers of the last eight years are desperate to claim that nobody cares any longer about what happened during the Bush administration, that everyone other than the most fringe, vindictive Bush-haters is eager to put it all behind us, forget about it all and, instead, look to the harmonious, sunny future. That's natural. Those who cheer on shameful and despicable acts always want to encourage everyone to forget what they did, and those who commit crimes naturally seek to dismiss demands for investigations and punishment as nothing more than distractions and vendettas pushed by those who want to wallow in the past.

Surprisingly, though, demands that Bush officials be held accountable for their war crimes are becoming more common in mainstream political discourse, not less so. The mountain of conclusive evidence that has recently emerged directly linking top Bush officials to the worst abuses -- combined with Dick Cheney's brazen, defiant acknowledgment of his role in these crimes (which perfectly tracked Bush's equally defiant 2005 acknowledgment of his illegal eavesdropping programs and his brazen vow to continue them) -- is forcing even the reluctant among us to embrace the necessity of such accountability.

It's almost as though everyone's nose is now being rubbed in all of this: now that the culpability of our highest government officials is no longer hidden, but is increasingly all out in the open, who can still defend the notion that they should remain immune from consequences for their patent lawbreaking? As Law Professor Jonathan Turley said several weeks ago on The Rachel Maddow Show: "It's the indictment of all of us if we walk away from a clear war crime." And this week, Turley pointed out to Keith Olbermann that "ultimately it will depend on citizens, and whether they will remain silent in the face of a crime that has been committed in plain view. . . . It is equally immoral to stand silent in the face of a war crime and do nothing."

That recognition, finally, seems to be spreading -- beyond the handful of blogs, civil liberties organizations and activists who have long been trumpeting the need for this accountability. The New York Times Editorial Page today has a lengthy, scathing decree demanding prosecutions: "It would be irresponsible for the nation and a new administration to ignore what has happened . . . . A prosecutor should be appointed to consider criminal charges against top officials at the Pentagon and others involved in planning the abuse." Today, Politico -- of all places -- is hosting a forum which asks: "Should the DOJ consider prosecuting Bush administration officials for detainee abuse as the NYT and others have urged?" Even Chris Matthews and Chris Hitchens yesterday entertained (albeit incoherently and apologetically) the proposition that top Bush officials committed war crimes.

more...

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/12/19-7
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:36 PM
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1. Lord, I totallly missed this
Those who cheer on shameful and despicable acts always want to encourage everyone to forget what they did, and those who commit crimes naturally seek to dismiss demands for investigations and punishment as nothing more than distractions and vendettas pushed by those who want to wallow in the past.

<smacks head> One of the hallmarks of the sociopath. "I want to put this all behind me and get on with my life."
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:44 PM
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2. If you're going to the inauguration...
...consider wearing this stuff to DC on the 20th:

http://www.cafepress.com/nopardonforbush
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:45 PM
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3. K & R--
"It would be irresponsible for the nation and a new administration to ignore what has happened . . . "

Hey O. Try doing something right.

You might like it.

Then you could investigate members of your own cabinet for economic crimes.

It would be 'historic'.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 05:26 PM
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4. Consequences
Bush was only unpopular because his war crimes were unskilled.

Americans love war crimes. When the social chaos gets deep enough, Americans will demand a Neocon military coup.

Impeachment was the easy test. America failed. After enough tests are failed, there are consequences.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 06:32 PM
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5. Trust me, he was a lot more unpopular than just for his war crimes.
Does shredding the constitution ring a bell? How about stacking the DOJ with toadies?
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 06:57 PM
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6. Bush was unpopular for his lack of success in
all endeavors.

Part of Bush's 80% disapproval rating comes from those who are upset that Bush was not Nazi enough.

Americans have murdered innocent peasants worldwide for decades, and supported coups d'etat against democracy, and plundered wealth, and enriched ourselves, and enslaved 7-year-olds in sweatshops making Nikes with sweaty 7-year-old hands.

Americans only care when their fortunes sag.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:16 PM
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7. K&R
No one is above the law...
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 09:42 AM
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8. K&R
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Madeleine Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 10:58 AM
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9. K&R
Prosecute!

Make them accountable. Come on MoveOn.......start your engines
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:43 PM
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10. K&R.
:patriot:
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