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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 07:07 AM
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Factcheck.org... Do auto workers really make more than $70 per hour?

Do auto workers really make more than $70 per hour?

How much does a UAW member make at a domestic auto plant? Various sites have cited the figure at an average of seventy-three dollars an hour (The Heritage Foundation). Keith Olbermann says that the figure is actually at twenty-eight before benefits, which only add ten dollars to the amount. Other sources indicate that Toyota workers (who are not unionized) made more last year after profit sharing was calculated. So clear it up for us. What's the real bottom line?

A: No. That figure is derived from what the auto companies pay in wages, health, retirement and other benefits, and includes the cost of providing benefits to retirees.

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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 07:44 AM
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1. A note on the write-up at fact-check.
Edited on Sat Dec-13-08 07:55 AM by Jim__
The Heritage Foundation has updated its report on this to explicitly state that the labor cost does not include the costs to current retirees. FactCheck states: What's causing the number to balloon is the cost of providing benefits to tens of thousands of retired auto workers and their surviving spouses. The new Heritage report is explicitly denying this. It lists the costs as:

The remaining $33.58 an hour of hourly labor costs that GM reports--46 percent of total compensation--was paid as benefits. These benefits include<5>:

Hospital, surgical, and prescription drug benefits;
Dental and vision benefits;
Group life insurance;
Disability benefits;
Supplemental Unemployment Benefits (SUB);
Pension payments to workers pensions accounts to be paid out at retirement;
Unemployment compensation; and
Payroll taxes (employer's share).


Now, clearly, labor costs for Totota, Nissan, etc in the US also include most of these costs. I did not read the original heritage report, but I have a hunch what they did is recomputed this adding in the cost of Unemployment Ins, Diability Benefits, etc to make it look like their original number didn't include the costs to retirees.

It's important to have the numbers correct in order to refute pukes in an argument. Again, most of the costs they now cite to bring the number aboev $70/hour are also paid by non-union shops. Unless the argument is now that workers should not be paid medical benefits. I want them to make that argument - it's a clear loser. It's also worth noting that they are raising the hourly wage by adding in overtime and shift differential. Once again, let them make the argument that workers should not earn overtime or shift differential - it's a loser.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 10:18 AM
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2. good catch
I am so sick of this crap. What's even crazier, and shows the power that Limbaugh, et al have, is that I know a couple of right wing guys in unions who I have heard complain about how UAW is the reason for the auto companies' failure, and repeat the $72/hour BS! Seriously.

It boggles the mind. I usually ask them if the big three guys really made that much more than Toyota/Honda, don't you think the guys who work for the latter would either unionize or switch jobs in order to get on the gravy train?

Also, when you look at the current performance of the non-big three, their numbers are drastically down too. Hello!? Maybe it's because no one can afford to buy much of anything these days, and even if they can are afraid to out of fear of being in debt then getting laid off!

Come on, people. It's time to stop believing in Voodoo Economics. These failures are all symptomatic of a much larger problem. When the wealthy are given tax break after tax break and are also rewarded handsomely for "reducing cost" by cutting jobs, they are screwing everyone over. Hell, they are even screwing themselves over in the long run, except that some of them are apparently too stupid and greedy to realize it.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 04:16 PM
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3. Heritage Foundation.. Pathological liars!
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 04:52 PM
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4. HF Motto: It's not just a job, It's an Ideology
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 06:44 PM
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5. No. They do not.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 04:47 PM
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6. It doesn't matter if workers get $100/hour. ATTACK the CEO salaries.
According to Bonddad (link below), the Ford CEO made $50 million in 2007-08.

Focusing on defense is not the same as playing offense.

We need to play offense.

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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 04:48 PM
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7. sorry: LINK
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