Oswald co-worker no longer silent about JFK assassination role

[Algorem]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/yahoolatestnews/stories/111608dnentfrazierjfk.3d76e89.html?npc

12:18 AM CST on Sunday, November 16, 2008

By HUGH AYNESWORTH / Special Contributor to The Dallas Morning News

LEWISVILLE –



...With but a few exceptions, he has kept almost 4 ½ decades of angst, frustration, fear and occasionally even fury bottled up.


...In Washington, Mr. Frazier said, he was "pressured" to change his recollection. In the days afterward, he was badgered by the media, harassed by people who didn't understand his relationship to Oswald and even became fearful for his life.


...Ms. Randle, who was also a leading witness, said recently that when she and Mr. Frazier testified before the Warren Commission, "they tried to get us to say that package was much longer than we recalled, but that wasn't true."


..."I wasn't surprised," Mr. Frazier said. "They seemed to have a prearranged agenda when they questioned Linnie and me. Our refusal to agree with their agenda simply caused them to state that we were mistaken."...

[eleny]

1. k&r

[nichomachus]

2. What? You mean it's not exactly the way the government told us it is?

Are you standing on a grassy knoll, wearing a tinfoil hat? Next, you'll be telling me the "official" story of 9-11 is wrong. CT weirdo!

:sarcasm:

[acmavm]

3. You mean that the official story might not be true? Well I'll be damned.

:sarcasm:

[Dennis Donovan]

4. Fascinating story! Recommended...

Unfortunately, it doesn't shed much light on whether Oswald was a lone gunman or not (which I believe he wasn't). The "curtain rod" story doesn't add up, despite what Mr Frazier believes. The rifle could've been disassembled, and would've made amuch shorter package.

[Igel]

14. That was addressed.

35" for the rifle, disassembled (specifically the stock, IIRC, but it's been 3 minutes since I read it and which part was involved didn't matter to me), the bag was 38".

That you can't cup one end of the stock in your hand and also have it wedged under your armpit is a given. 35"? I could do maybe 21-22", I'm 5' 10" and reasonably normally proportioned. Perhaps if he were on the other of 7 1/2 to 8 feet tall....

However, the problem as I see it is that eye-witnesses are notoriously unreliable, and that's when they're fairly well clued in as to what to look for. In this case, he's been asked about something that wasn't important at the time; once you're asked and you tell about a memory you either recalled or reconstructed, you tend to only recall what you've already said, whether it's accurate or not. The difference between seeing somebody cupping one end of the stock (?) in his hand and holding it along its length with his hand might not be a really salient point until hours after you've seen one or the other.

[Joe Chi Minh]

17. 'cept the Italain manufacturer tested it exhaustively, and said it couldn't have done the job.

Hopelessly inadequate.

[MrsBrady]

5. i noticed the tag line for the author said

Hugh Aynesworth is a freelance writer and author and was an eyewitness to the JFK assassination.

his story might be interesting as well.

[Uncle Sinister]

6. Coincidentally, last night I watched the director's cut of "JFK"

Even better and more telling than I remembered it. We will probably never know exactly what happened, but only a complete moron can look at the evidence and conclude that Oswald acted alone.

[stopbush]

8. On the contrary. Read Vincent Bugiosi's book on the subject.

It will change your mind about Oliver Stone's fiction and all of the CTs out there regarding JFK.

[Uncle Sinister]

9. On the contrary. Bugliosi was a hack DA who's only claim to fame was the Manson murders,

and he came dangerously close to screwing them up, despite their being handed to him on a silver platter. his "Reclaiming History" really does nothing more than pimp the already discredited "Warren Report" (in mind-numbing depth).

I'm not even close to claiming that Oliver Stone (or Jim Garrison) got everything right. We will most likely never know. But none of Stone's (or Garrison's) primary arguments have ever been successfully refuted. The "magic bullet" and front entry wound alone completely put the lie to the idea that Oswald acted alone.

[tavalon]

15. Tell me how he sees the magical bullet,

then we can discuss this. If he buys that one, I've got a bridge to nowhere I'd like to sell him.

[Usrename]

21. Have you read his 1500-page tome?

If you have read it, I'm interested in his explanation of HOW a Secret Service agent, who supposedly had been trained in evasive action, was able to hold the car so incredibly steady for eight seconds while live rounds ricocheted though the car, until ultimately the president's head exploded all over the inside of the limo. It was a pretty good display of nerve and will power.

Does he any explanation for this? Was the driver drugged. Because I think it would be a difficult task for ANYONE to keep a car so steady while under fire for so long a time frame.

What do YOU think?

[sce56]

22. The film of the driver looking back and not doing anything until he sees the fatal shot is all you

need to see to know he was in on it!

[Usrename]

23. It seems so obvious and so undeniable to me.

I still wonder what, if anything, ol' Vince has to say about it in his difinitive rewrite of history.

I haven't heard him comment on this question at all while he was hawking his book.

:shrug:

[Festivito]

7. Little things pop up and keep us from seeing big things.

Big things right in front of our eyes, like poppy Bush being an hours drive outside Dallas almost an hour after the shooting calling in a wild goose chase to the FBI. The FBI that would later be strong-armed into not investigating JFK's death. A Bush who's dad was involved in a coup against FDR. A Bush whose lookalike was in a photo standing in front of the School Book Depository building that morning and still can't tell us where he was when he heard JFK died, whose name-alike in the CIA failed to call reinforcements during the Bay of Pigs, who tells us he did not arrange weapons for hostages during the Iran hostage situation that took down Jimmy Carter, who pardoned the people involved with Iran/Contra before the investigation could get to himself.

Little things mean a lot. Big things are still big things.

[MinM]

10. Hugh Aynesworth played an important role in the media cover-up of the assassination of JFK

Aynesworth was part of a disinformation campaign to discredit Jim Garrison:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/MinM/69

Hugh G. Aynesworth and the Assassination of JFK

Hugh G. Aynesworth played an important role in the media cover-up of the assassination of JFK. He contacted me a few weeks ago and complained about what I had written about him on my website. I invited him to join the Forum where he would be free to point out where I had gone wrong. He has yet to accept the invitation...

James DiEugenio has argued: "With the work of the Assassination Records Review Board, many more pages of documents have been released showing how tightly bound Aynesworth was with the intelligence community. It has been demonstrated that Aynesworth was - at the minimum - working with the Dallas Police, Shaw's defense team, and the FBI. He was also an informant to the White House, and had once applied for work with the CIA. As I have noted elsewhere, in the annals of this case, I can think of no reporter who had such extensive contacts with those trying to cover up the facts in the JFK case. And only two come close: Edward Epstein and Gerald Posner."

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=12117

http://www.ctka.net/aynesworth.html
http://www.geocities.com/oswaldpatsy/

[4lbs]

11. Anyone read this MSNBC article and seen the accompanying Discovery Channel

special program "JFK: Inside the Target Car" ?


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27705829/


It uses modern forensic science and latest advances in blood spatter analysis to show that the shots likely came from the 6th floor of the Depository, as was always claimed.

[MinM]

12. the main premise of the show is flawed...

JFK Inside the Target Car - Why didn't they listen to me?, New show is full of errors -- what did they actually prove?

Donner and I have just finished watching this new program. Some of the footage of the replica limo are wonderful, and the footage of the rebuilt limo at Dearborn (I was standing near the cameraman when they were taken) are exquisite. But the main premise of the show is flawed, and even though I have been thoroughly dismayed by the outrageous claims the press release made, I had hopes that it would at least be consistent and accurate.

Most glaring for me, especially since I went over each of the photographs I gave to the producer, Robert E., was that they claimed that the color photographs of the limo interior were taken by the SS the night of the assassination. That is untrue. The black-and-white photos of the limo interior were taken by the FBI during their forensic exam at 1 a.m. 11.23.63. The SS photos were not taken until late the following afternoon, long after the FBI had taken the car apart for its exams.

Another glaring error is that they claimed they were duplicating Z312 in the re-enactment shots, but that was not the case; the positions of both JFK and Jackie were quite different. This is something that should have been quickly caught.

I am even more puzzled now than before at the fantastic claims made in the press release. The TSBD shot takes off the top of JFK's head -- did it not occur to anyone that this would invalidate the autopsy photos and x-rays?

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13688

[Uncle Sinister]

13. aren't magic bullets wonderful? (in both senses of the word) eom

[Joe Chi Minh]

18. You have to give them top marks for resourcefulness. They never tire of coming

up with some new "clincher". That's why the irrefutable, "a priori" evdidence of statistics is so valuable. It cuts through the B.S. like a hot knife through butter. What were the actuarial odds of all those "grassy knoll" witnesses dying of a strange variety of deaths within the space of three years? Astronomical. Like some of the figures for the returns in the previous two elections.

[bertman]

16. Mafia Kingfish: Carlos Marcello and the Assassination of John F. Kennedy by John Davis.

Well worth the time it takes to read. Covers both Kennedy's (JFK and RFK) assassinations, if I remember correctly.

Mafia, Texas oilmen, CIA, FBI. All pissed at the Kennedy's.

[mod mom]

19. Didn't we already know this? Does this make it a formal link?

The use of outside e-mail accounts is not confined to AttorneyGate. CREW notes that Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove’s former assistant Susan Ralston used three private e-mail accounts -- rnchq.com (headquarters of the Republican National Committee), georgebush.com (re-election campaign) and aol.com -- to communicate with convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Many of the mails, according to CREW, provide "inside White House information to Mr. Abramoff in response to Mr. Abramoff’s efforts to broker deals for his clients and place specified individuals in positions within the administration."

-snip

http://uspolitics.about.com/b/2007/03/24/gwb43com-attorneygate-and-federal-records-requirements.htm


Susan Ralston
Special Assistant to the President and Assistant to Karl Rove; Former Personal Assistant to Jack Abramoff

CRONYISM — ABRAMOFF CONNECTED RALSTON AND ROVE: “As presidential adviser Karl Rove set up shop in the West Wing in 2001, he was looking for an assistant to serve as the trusted gatekeeper of his new fiefdom. Superlobbyist and Republican fundraiser Jack Abramoff was happy to lend a hand. Abramoff knew just the right person for the job: his own assistant, Susan Ralston. She interviewed with Rove and got the position.”

FAVORS — RALSTON PLAYED KEY ROLE IN DOLING OUT FAVORS: “On April 20th, 2000, Jack Abramoff’s personal assistant Susan Ralston wrote a memo outlining guidelines for doling out skybox seats to clients, politicians and Capitol Hill staffers.”

http://thinkprogress.org/abramoff/#ralston

[roseBudd]

20. Like the cuts on OJs hands Oswald's curtain rods whatever their length are hinky

Sometimes BS just can't be explained away and wrapping curtain rods in brown paper & taking them to work does not pass the smell test.

[Usrename]

24. Under normal circumstances what you say makes sense...

... but if he was really a patsy like he claimed to be, there could be lots of ways to explain his "curtain rods." Both of these witnesses say that the package was way too small to hold the rifle, even if it had been disassembled. So, if he was set up to take the fall, who's to say that they didn't do a very good job of setting him up? Whoever "they" are.

[comtec]

25. I love a good conspiracy theory...

especially when it's not true....
however JFK's assassination has never passed the smell test as far as the official story, even when I was a kid.

9/11 really never passed teh smell test, not for a moment...and that's what really scares the shit out of me

the idea that our government is truly capable of such a thing.... i can't jump on the mihop train, but lihop seems plausible...

that we killed our own president... that also scares the living shit out of me and really makes me fear for Obama.

Lets hope "Never Again" stays true to our rally cry.