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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 12:19 PM
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Too Poor for Bankruptcy
Too Poor for Bankruptcy
By David Glenn Cox



We, as a country, seem to have little problem saving the wealthy from the clutches of poverty. We’ll bail out banks and insurance companies, mortgage funds. The formerly big three automakers will meet with the new administration this week to arrange a further multi-billion-dollar bailout.

How can we say no? Hundreds of thousands of jobs are dependent on these industries. So I guess we must help them, but our society is so far out of economic whack. Most all of our problems seem to evolve from a falling standard of living in America’s working class, and yet when we call for help for America’s working poor we are told that it can’t be helped. Here in Atlanta a local food pantry advertises that 40% of all its recipients are employed.

Just yesterday I read this: “Liberals are traitors, losers, punks, criminals, baby-killers, homos, and the scum of our country. They are godless, plus they costa lotta money and ya gotta burp em frequently.” How is it that we have come to hate our own people so? Is it then to be assumed that the heads of the banks and insurance companies are liberals? The state of Georgia gave Hyundai motors a $100 million, ten-year tax credit to build its parts distribution site here in Georgia. That's a $25,000 per year per employee subsidy; is that liberal or conservative?

We let the minimum wage flounder for almost a decade and despite the results still argue about its impact. We worry instead about welfare queens living the life of Riley while we schlep off to work each day. Here in Georgia the maximum welfare payment is $574 per month. The program formally known as food stamps is only available to families without children for three months and only if they make less than 130% of the poverty level. Why do we call it the poverty level if you must make less than that to qualify?

If you made $15,000 during the first six months of the year and then became unemployed, you are not eligible, period. If you are self-employed or a contract worker or day laborer, you are not even eligible for unemployment. If you have recently left the military or graduated from college or technical school, you are not even considered unemployed. Like the poverty-level figure, the unemployment number becomes a fuzzy, whatever-you-want-it-to-be figure. After 16 weeks you become a discouraged worker anyway, no longer unemployed at all. A non-worker, a non-person, ineligible for any assistance of any kind whatsoever.

We worry so about the hive and forget about the bees, but for the hive to ever prosper we must have healthy workers. We funneled $750 billion in to rescue the banks and now the CEO’s are contemplating whether they should give themselves bonuses! Are you kidding me? Our economy is disintegrating before our eyes, almost a quarter of a million jobs lost in the last thirty days when the economy should be adding workers for Christmas. We have a cataclysm even more serious then failing banks, failing bank customers.

The new administration, to its credit, is holding its first economic meeting three days after the election. The Clinton administration held its first meeting in December; the Bush administration in January. The seriousness of this situation cannot be overstated as the economy grinds to a halt. The unemployment curve looks more like a rock climber’s delight but should be remembered only as a misery index of underpaid workers who, while employed, had been falling behind and now find themselves locked out with no help from anyone save private charities in an 1932 redux.

God, it’s great to be a free American! No socialist fetters on me! No national healthcare to crimp my check; I’ll pay the highest health insurance rates in the world, and when unemployed, excuse me, when I'm a discouraged worker I’ll do without. To work twenty-six years without missing a paycheck and when you seek help to be told, “you don’t qualify! You have to be 130% below the poverty rate for assistance!”

Besides, your wife still has a job and you still own your home. After you’ve lost all those things, come on back. Maybe then you’ll qualify! Why do we hate our own people so? We pour out billions of dollars in aid to third world countries, to disaster areas, even to feed stray dogs and cats. But when it’s our own people, our neighbors, our countrymen, veterans, women and children, this mean, vindictive streak comes out in us. When hurricane Ike hit Houston one women blogged on the hurricane website, “How do we know those people are entitled to the free ice and food? How do we know that they are even from Texas?”

She was too oblivious to understand that people would not drive in from out of state to stand in line for hours for RME’s and two bags of free ice. Were this her opinion alone it could be easily ignored, but it was a significant minority opinion. Many of those who were better prepared or escaped unscathed were denouncing aid to those who did not fare as well as themselves. One man interviewed on TV stayed behind with his invalid mother. He was asked if they had stocked up on supplies. He answered, “Yes, I did, but we lost them when the water began to rise into the house.”

Are we one nation? Or are we just interest groups? Can we rescue Wall Street and ignore Main Street? Those suffering number in the millions already and the snows are beginning to fall. In 1932 America had no social safety net of any kind and because of that millions suffered needlessly. Today we have a social safety net in name only, underfunded and bureaucratic, offering hope to few and help to even fewer. Just what sort of nation are we with billion-dollar warplanes and hungry children? That when times get tough that’s all we have to offer, tough!

To file a Chapter 7 bankruptcy will cost you $1,500, plus court costs, plus the credit counseling - just an extra $100.00 added by the credit card industry in the 2005 bankruptcy legislation. Without the cash you are meat on the street; God Bless America! The new President promises change and I wish him well and I hope for the best. But I won’t hold my breath because no one hates Americans more than other Americans.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 12:40 PM
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1. Daveparts you certainly are not alone - It is truly an American tragedy - Please send this to Obama
at his new site link:

http://www.change.gov/

Also please send this to your Senator and Congress person. I don't think they have any idea what some of us hard working dedicated patriots are having to contend with out here!

Blessings and hugs!
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 08:21 PM
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11. As a gay American I have put up with being treated as
"Less Than" all of my life.
I volunteered for the Navy, I was outed by a spiteful person in the same department.
When I got home I could not take a government position as an Air Traffic Controller because of my discharge, also I lost my benefits for education too.
I went to work as an Electrician, since I lived in a so called right to work state,
the pay was not much more than minimum wage, I worked a second and third job to make ends meet.
Eventually I left that state and went to another the pay was some better, but still I worked a second job, waiting tables or short order cook. I was always too tired to even think about schooling.
I have had folks who call themselves Christian say and do some pretty awful things to me.
Being fired when I was found out to be gay, over and over again.
Being put out of a hospital by armed escort when I went in in a severe allergic shock state, because I revealed I had HIV.
I got injured then I got sick since I was a younger white male I could get no help.
I ended up homeless and sick and still trying to work enough to get food.
I finally got disability because of my back, seizures and hiv.
That disability is a good bit less than a $1,000 a month.
My partner works a full time job and does independent work on the side to keep us warm and dry and we found a really good deal on a house with some land that we have planted food gardens and orchard trees. The gardens are most of our food.
We realize we are in a pretty good situation, but I still have to travel 40 miles each way to get medical care. Most do not realize that you have to go to a city to get hiv care and the meds are so expensive, I am fortunate that I have medicaid and medicare, plus NC has an adap program.
My meds alone are about 2700 a month, when we were having to pay deductibles it really did a number on finances.
We really feel for those with kids and other expenses.
We have been together for almost 13 years, and if we had any kind of real legal cover it would be good.
Imagine going to hospital and your partner is told he cannot see you.
Imagine your spouse passing and that some cousin comes in and takes your home and possessions because you have no legal right, even with wills and other properly drawn up documents, since you are legal strangers any blood relative can have those instruments over turned and you evicted.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 12:42 PM
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2. 7 recs and this is the first reply? I thin this sums it up nicely...
"(N)o one hates Americans more than other Americans."

You can see it here every day and DU is representative of the "good half" of the country?!?


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SCantiGOP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:01 PM
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3. not true about bankruptcy
My wife is a Legal Aid attorney, and her business is booming. In SC, and I assume it's the same in every state, if you meet the poverty guidelines they will represent you for free in a civil action, such as fighting foreclosure or filing bankruptcy. However, if you don't meet the poverty guidelines you do have to pay as outlined above.
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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:14 PM
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5. Legal Aide
Couldn't represent me because my wife earned more than 13K they referred me to an attorney referral service. For $35.00 dollars they would answer the claim against me.
Lets see, groceries... or attorney? Bankruptcy... or Foreclosure?
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:07 PM
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4. This will be the test our new president and our nation has to get right.
Are we one nation? Or are we just interest groups? Can we rescue Wall Street and ignore Main Street? Those suffering number in the millions already and the snows are beginning to fall. In 1932 America had no social safety net of any kind and because of that millions suffered needlessly. Today we have a social safety net in name only, underfunded and bureaucratic, offering hope to few and help to even fewer. Just what sort of nation are we with billion-dollar warplanes and hungry children? That when times get tough that’s all we have to offer, tough!


This is such a reasonable concern and so well written that I have bookmarked it for future reference. It is such a wonderful feeling knowing that people like you are here-thanks.
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hermetic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:49 PM
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6. I like that bee hive analogy
They're all worried about the hive (honey) and ignore the worker bees. That might make a great poster.

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:40 PM
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7. K&R!
Great piece!

:kick:
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 09:51 PM
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8. K&R
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 09:54 PM by Waiting For Everyman
It is discouraging to see the same thing here sometimes.

And legal aid in Maryland isn't taking any new cases, even when you DO qualify. Oh but the courts have no problem charging us unrepresented people $500 PER HOUR automatic attorneys' fees for the OTHER side to attack us for little or no reason - just because license to do so in advance is written into the fine print of unilateral contracts. Those attorneys' fees are the unpayable part of liens and foreclosures. If not for that too, we might be able to pay to be represented ourselves to defend our own rights, which go simply forfeited... but that would be, um, fair - an out of fashion concept. According to the corporatists only their rights and property exist. The loss they cause us doesn't count.

"Of, by, and for" sharks. We're nothing but the food-chain to them, to plunder freely without restraint. And they wonder why there are no consumers. Get off our necks and we'll buy something! Every dime is going to banks and their legal thefts... and who gets bailed out, to do it some more, no changes demanded?

Maybe... just maybe... it's because their lobbyists write our state and local laws. Gee, what could be wrong with that, I wonder? surely they wouldn't give themselves license to steal, would they?


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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 12:02 PM
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9. I wish this could be spoken out loud everywhere.
There is so much talk about how great America is. But in practice, people are just a commodity to be used for what can be gotten out of them, the remainder being rubbish. They worry about welfare queens, but what about all the wallstreet types who want nothing but to live off trading money without actually making anything of real value? They are bees that feast on the honey but don't go out and collect any themselves.

The results of our ballot initiatives in Colorado spoke volumes about what we as a collective are willing to do for ourselves - No to small tax increases to fund education; No to stopping oil industry subsidies; No to assistance to for people with disabilities. But Yes to stopping unions in government and Yes to increasing gambling limits.

Prop 8 in California is a *huge* mark of shame on America, not to mention those other states that voted to legislate discrimination on people. Hateful.

It bears repeating: no one hates Americans more than other Americans.

We've got to stop.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 08:20 PM
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10. K&R And there is a need to look at the student loan debacle.
I'm not even talking about the malfeasance on the part of loan companies in collusion with certain colleges. I'm talking about the absurdity of young people (and not so young) coming out of college with a degree in a field for which there are no jobs, and a tab for $25,000 to $60,000 and above in student loans for that education.

A little touch of "socialism" would have us competitive with other countries in the world that think enough of their young people -- and the future of their country -- to make getting an education free or within reason financially.

I'm all for college students having to struggle a bit, and not being given everything on a silver platter, but the quality of education in the country is being severely affected by the college student who works two or three jobs to make it, gets little sleep, and comes out with a diploma and a knowledge base about as impressive as Sarah Palin's.

I also recall, during Katrina, seeing some posts from Houstonites and others, stating that *they* took their SUV and filled it with their pets and their worldly goods, and then packed their second car with food supplies and water, and got the heck out, and they didn't understand why those people in New Orleans didn't do the same. Not owning *any* car, much less a SUV, just didn't make it through their thick skulls. And, as you've stated, it wasn't just an occasional mental deficient posting this stuff. It was the essence of a howling Internet mob.


What's the Matter with America?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 11:34 AM
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13. I've come to believe that a lot of the meanness we see nowadays
is a perverted form of magical thinking.

In fact, anything can happen to anyone, no matter how careful and prudent they are. We never see most disasters that come at us until it's too late. They may be forces of nature, the negligence, greed, or malice of others, undiagnosed medical conditions, or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Deep down, people know that misfortune can strike anyone, and it scares them.

In their fear, they adopt a superior attitude toward the victims of misfortune, especially if they themselves have dodged that particular bullet. "WE were prepared for the hurricane," they say.

Well goody-goody-goody for you. How do you know that you will be prepared for the next disaster, perhaps a tornado, which comes on too quickly to escape with more than your life, or a fire? Either one could take every material possession you have, and perhaps the lives of loved ones.

You may have a good job now, but you may not have one next week. You may be healthy now, but you may be diagnosed with a devastating illness next week. You may be in a loving relationship now, but your SO may dump you without warning or be revealed as unworthy tomorrow.

People do know this. But I believe that their disdain for the less fortunate is a defense mechanism. They think that if they hate the unfortunate enough, if they can think of enough reasons why the unfortunate "deserve" their fates, it will magically spare them from encountering misfortune themselves, because of course, they see themselves as wonderful and not "deserving" of misfortune.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:28 AM
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12. Hate, greed, selfishness has become all the rage.
The bush has made it fashionable to belittle those who are weaker. From Gay and Lesbian brothers and sisters to poor people without rescue, we limit them, hold them down to drown in poverty and wonder why our economy is collapsing.

So well said: "No one hates Americans more than other Americans."

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dalus Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 02:30 PM
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14. Nice article but...
130% of the poverty line means your income can be ABOVE the poverty line, but only 30% above it. It doesn't make any sense to say that your income is 130% BELOW any level, since that would be less than zero.

Incidentally, the fact that we need to hand out anything to someone who is not living below the poverty line indicates that the poverty line has been set unrealistically low.
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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 03:06 PM
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15. 100%
of the poverty line and then 30% below it.
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 08:56 PM
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16. the timing of the credit card bancruptcy act is highly suspicious
did the big bys know they were heading for a complete collapse and proected themselves with the "bil out" while ensuring battlers would pay twice..via taxand the inabi lity to take advantage of bankruptcy themselves
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