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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 06:32 PM
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HORROR is the word to describe these last eight years and we must never minimize or repress it.
HORROR is the only word to describe these last eight years and we must never minimize or repress this truth.

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Lest we forget, here’s a sample:

(1.) 9/11 is the capstone of Bush/Republican treason. The evidence is now overwhelming that far from coming from Bush/Republican ineptitude, it was the DIRECT RESULT of Bush engineering (almost certainly with the help of, let's just say, certain Middle Eastern friends).

To be point blank about 9/11 means answering two simple questions:

(a.) What political party MASSIVELY "benefited" from 9/11? Duh

(b.) What Middle Eastern country MASSIVELY "benefited" from 9/11? Duh.

(2.) Why were only high profile Democrats sent anthrax in the mail? (a rhetorical question)

(3.) Why is our economy going belly up? Couldn't have anything to do with the trillions of dollars Republican elites keep stealing from those money cow wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, could it? Or, what about those astronomical tax breaks for (guess who?) the elites?

This is see spot run simple. STOP the money cow oil wars and STOP the working class and American infrastructure-destroying tax breaks for the elites, and (voila!) a healed economy. But our economy can NEVER be healed so long the "Bush Wars" continue, and so long as the vampire elites continue drain every last drop of wealth/blood from our dying country.

(3.) And now we have a pug VP candidate who is inciting people to violence, if not the literal assassination of Barack Obama. Sarah Palin has become a Queen of Hate who is now openly appealing to loose cannon psychopaths and murder-in-the-name-of-God religious fanatics to construct a political base for future elections. Indeed, she's even repeatedly criticized her running mate (let's see, what was his name?). The Queen of Hate is the incarnation of the Republican Party and has agendas for which McCain is a pitiful and aging stepping stone.

(4.) OK, now to the "wars". We are now mired in two major international wars, whose SOLE PURPOSE is to change billionaires into multibillionaires. Of course, in the process, we have also fundamentally destroyed our military infrastructures and totally lost all international credibility. It's funny how you can get used to almost anything, like a loud noise down the street, but we are selling our souls if we "acclimate" ourselves to these butcher factories for our children. God in heaven, we KNOW that the elites are simply exchanging the blood of our heroic military for f_____ OIL!

This is all about clinging to fossil fuels in order to make pig, pig rich people, pig, pig richer. If the wealth of the Earth was distributed more or less equally, NO ONE would be poor, EVERYONE would have free health care, EVERYONE could take vacations, NO FAMILY would have to have several job, etc, etc, etc.

But instead we have a 21st Century Dictatorship of the Rich. If even one person by now doesn't realize the United States of American is 100% a Dictatorship of the Rich, that person must be a member of another species. Indeed, the supremely important fact of America is that we ARE a Dictatorship of the Rich -- rapidly turning into a fascist police state. Not to see this is not to see the sun.

This list, of course, could go on and on, but the issue isn't so much that these atrocities are unknown, but that they are muted, painted over, and repressed.

But nothing could be more suicidal. Of course these horrors are depressing to radically confront, but sometimes in life you have to SEE THINGS LIKE THEY ARE. And "talking" about these things, or playing political games about them, or occasionally thinking about them is PERPETUATING them, because the only way to deal with such horrors as 9/11, money cow oil wars (that murder our children), the elite rape of what's left of Mother Nature and the American middle class, the devastation of our glorious Constitutional Republic is to strip away the fantasies, denials, and suicidal pretending that “things aren’t so bad”.

A mystic once said, "It is truth that liberates, not the effort to be free." His meaning was that the only ACTION that counts in life is the action-response catalyzed from making eye contact with the desperately avoided.

In our case, this is making eye contact with eight years of horror, e.g., the infinite treason of 9/11, exchanging our children's blood for oil -- and so much more. In short, acknowledging the utter destruction of our "world".

When Odysseus came back to Ithaca to find his Kingdom overrun with insolent suitors of Penelope, he rose to the occasion with incredible violence. Before being impaled by Odysseus, one suitor asked him why he was so enraged. Odysseus answered, "Because you were trying to steal my "world".

That's us. We are LOSING OUR WORLD, and only if we see that all the way through, do we have a chance of salvation. Our rage, like Odysseus, is appropriate and imperative.

The alternative is to whistle in a dark that's not listening and pretend ourselves to death.
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W. Christopher Epler (Bill)

<http://theliberationofrealism.blogspot.com/>
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 06:41 PM
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1. Truth and Reconciliation Committee
Hubby and I were just talking about this at dinner. We need a "Truth and Reconciliation Committee" like they had in South Africa. We need to air all of the dirty laundry. Clean every nook and cranny to get rid of the RW cockroaches.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 12:25 AM
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4. I think we need triage first: prosecute economic & war criminals, reconcile with regular folks
Nuremberg and how we reconciled with Germany after the war is a more apt analogy. If the upper echelon of the Bushies aren't punished for their crimes, the rank and file will be able to convince themselves that there were no crimes. Then the next assault on democracy from the right will be that much sooner, more virulent, and effective.
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:34 PM
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2. "Grotesque nightmare" is what I have most used to describe it...
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:12 PM
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3. 'What Middle Eastern country MASSIVELY "benefited" from 9/11? Duh.'
Fuck off and die, Nazi filth.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 04:18 PM
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6. I think you've misinterpreted him. Think "Big Oil" nt
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 08:11 PM
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10. Big Oil is certainly a shoe that fits.
Thanks,

Big Oil is certainly a shoe that fits. Paranoia is another matter. It has a way of revealing the unexpected.

Bill
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 01:07 AM
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17. Omigod. What a horrible reply I just made to someone who did nothing to earn it.
I've read so much crap on the 9-11 sites, I thought you were spreading it yourself.

My apologies, if you can possibly accept them.

But as for paranoia, I think you can see it may have some foundation. The evidence is right here on this thread.
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 05:31 PM
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26. concentrating on larger patterns
Thank you. I try to be careful not be too specific, since I concentrate more on the larger patterns, but to tell you the truth, I have so much stuff spinning around in my head right now that its hard not to drop a few balls from time to time. God, now I'm mixing my metaphors!

peace, Bill
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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 07:33 PM
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8. Nazi filth? Zionist filth? What's the difference? Oh wait, let's see...one has a "state" and
a lot of might for active oppression.

So how about *you* fuck off and die, as you eloquently put.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 07:43 PM
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9. Anyone who doesn't know the difference is a piece of shit. Go flush yourself.
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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 09:52 PM
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14. Well put. I've found the Zionists and apologists to be worse. They've had more years to perfect
the art of evil.

You're a piece of work, I'd laugh at you if it wasn't so scary and so many people haven't wrongfully been harmed because of people EXACTLY like you.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:09 PM
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15. Go back to the National Vanguard site where you belong.
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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 02:24 AM
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19. hahaha Yeah...where do your loyalties lie? Let me guess, like Lieberman
ultimately, your loyalties are for Israel right? Are you an advocate for releasing the "great" Israeli spy?

Zionist terrorists have committed some of the worst atrocities in the modern world, but they somehow get a pass? The state of Israel, the so-called "democracy" of the mid-east, has a terrible human rights records and had legalised torture long before the U.S. even could choke such consideration.

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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:20 AM
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21. Yes, accusing those who disagree with you of being disloyal and unpatriotic is SO left-wing!
You have more in common with Michelle Bachmann and Joe McCarthy and Norman Tebbit than you would ever care to admit.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 11:49 AM
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24. Found you out, didn't I? Touched a nerve?
To get specific, I'm not fan of Joe Lieberman. He's been a stealth Republican until he recently came out in the open.

But I'll defend him any day of the week against Hitlerite scum like you.
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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 07:39 PM
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28. Sure
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Chef Eric Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:30 PM
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16. Do you even know what a Zionist is?
A Zionist is someone who believes that Israel has a right to exist. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. There, you just learned something today. Now stop equating Zionists with Nazis.
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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 02:21 AM
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18. Do you?
Apparently not, because your definition is woefully inadequate.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:17 AM
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20. Nope, actually it's the correct definition
You have EXACTLY the same distorted perception of 'Zionists' that many on the right have of 'Muslims'.

The idea that all Zionists are religious extremists or supporters of the Israeli far-right is akin to considering all Muslims to be Al Quaeda-supporting terrorists, or all Americans to be supporters of the Ku Klux Klan.

We should be supporting moves toward peace in the Middle East, not demonizing any group or nationality.

www.allmep.org

www.bsst.org.uk

www.onevoicemovement.org
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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 07:42 PM
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29. No that isn't correct.
And that is a lousy comparison. There are Jews in the state of Israel who do not support the things Zionist Israel does. But you won't find Zionists who oppose it.

Justify it all you want, it has been an illegal occupation for 40 years and many are willing to turn a blind eye to it, like you apparently.

You want to support peace in the Mid-East, part of the solution is enforcing ALL of the UN mandate, not just the one that benefits Israel. Stop giving them weapons so they can "defend" themselves preemptively. Etc.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:23 AM
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22. I interpreted it as meaning a different country than you did...
i.e. the one from which most of the terrorists actually came.

But after reading a few *other* comments on this thread - well my head is now spinning a bit.

In any case, I don't believe MIHOP, though I do think that there was great incompetence, and a lot of lies to cover up the incompetence.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:12 AM
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5. Thank you ,Bill, for a most eloquent summary of the horror many of us are still living through.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 06:15 PM
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7. Thanks for the reminder, wcepler.
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 08:20 PM
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11. we're all in this together
It reassures me to see many (hopefully, millions) of Americans have memories at least as good as mine. My God, these last eight years have certainly been the worst years of my life, and if we don't stop this neocon/fascist juggernaut NOW, it's game over forever. We'll have no more chances.

Bill

ps Someone pointed out if you haven't voted it would be wise to take your cell phone camera just in case you can video criminal fraud in action. Then give the info to Obama's lawyers who will know EXACTLY what to do with it.

ps Have you noticed how many spell checks change Obama to Osama? It's like cockroaches, they're everywhere.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 08:51 PM
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12. We need Nurmeberg trials.
We must never forget that the GOP tried to shred the Constitution. We must not let the American people forget what we have learned about the GOP. The GOP has outlived its usefulness by about 28 years. It is now a dire threat to democracy and the Constitution of the United States.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 09:16 PM
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13. : Nuremberg trials!
Do we EVER. That's EXACTLY what we need and that line of traitors called to accountability is going to include most of all the "neocons" who have NEVER put America first. And oh yes, then we'll get around to the "media" traitors. The "traitor" word is of the essence because our legal system knows just how to deal with traitors. And the 9/11 traitors will first answer to God -- and then to Americans.

Solidarity, Bill
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 09:48 AM
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23. Kicked
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 12:12 PM
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25. excellent points!
As you point out, it is very difficult to face the reality of what has happened.
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 06:56 PM
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27. Time to take the social games rules into our own hands!
You know, it's kinda like watching the rape of your Mother.

It's so UNBEARABLY PAINFUL to keep squarely in mind what the Bush/Cheney filth did to our
personal lives, our Constitutional Republic, our TOTALLY STOLEN economy, and even our mortally wounded planet Earth, that the temptation (understandable -- but SUICIDAL) is to change the subject, turn on the TV and look away from the horror -- just like looking away from memory of watching the rape of your Mother.

But we must keep these memories so vivid and vital that they glow in the dark. Then we join arms and do WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO to get this slime (Sarah Palin comes to mind who has already succeeded in inciting an assassination attempt on Senator Obama's life!) permanently "excommunicated" (to borrow a Catholic idea) from the human race.

And IF these neo-Nazis (because that's what they are in their essence)DO manage to steal a THIRD Presidential Election, we must be prepared to take the lead from our founding fathers and REVOLT, since this King George is even more evil and insane than the first one. And McCain = Bush, just as Sarah Palin = a Queen of Hate.

It's time to start taking the revolt business very, very serious. If these slime think they're going to get away with 4 more years of elite rape, they have no idea of what is waiting for them. They went SO far over the civilized line, that it is a moral imperative that we respond with unrestrained aggression -- whatever that may mean.

Hey, we didn't start this violence -- but if we are made fools of again, we are by GOD going to finish it!

WE HAVE NO CHOICE.

WE HAVE NO CHOICE.

WE HAVE NO CHOICE.




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