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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:46 AM
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Volcker: U.S. needs more civil engineers and fewer financial engineers
Every once in while during a crisis or history-altering event, you run across a quote or an observation that sort of summarizes events on the ground, in a nutshell. Former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker articulated one such observation during a recent chat he had with PBS' Charlie Rose.

"It seems to me what our nation needs is more civil engineers and electrical engineers and fewer financial engineers," Volcker said.

U.S.: a decade of descent

And there you have it -- the United States' decade of descent, in a nutshell. Volcker's observation speaks volumes about where the United States economy -- and the nation, at large, for that matter -- is today.

For reasons that historians will undoubtedly debate for decades (globalization, automation, flawed public policies, inadequate regulations, overconsumption, the availability of foreign capital, greed) the United States embarked on a financing boom -- creating an increasing array of creative and untenable mortgage types, accompanied by an equally problematic set of mortgage backed securities. It generated an unsustainable housing bubble, which ended as all bubbles do -- badly -- triggering the global financial crisis.

And yet, all the while, as Volcker observed, public investment in infrastructure -- the physical backbone of the economy, of the nation, really -- declined. That infrastructure is now in a state of disrepair. The nation's schools, hospitals, roads/bridges/mass transit systems/air travel system and even our electric grid are inadequate to meet the nation's current requirements, let alone the requirements of an expanding, vibrant, dynamic, twenty-first century economy.

Volcker's comment touched on an economic truth: it's very hard to grow at capacity if your infrastructure isn't up to standards. The U.S. didn't maintain its infrastructure -- a lot of Ph.D. power went into derivatives and swaps, instead of into building schools, hospitals, and the electric grid -- and as a result the U.S. now has an infrastructure hurdle, to go along with a financial hurdle, standing in the way of the nation's return to economic health. That inadequate infrastructure will artificially depress U.S. GDP growth below capacity until it's repaired.

Volcker underscored that the U.S. must begin the "physical rebuilding of the nation now," and prioritize which parts of the infrastructure are vital to the nation's productive capacity and must be repaired immediately, and which can wait for better times.

Economic Analysis: The failure of the U.S. to invest in its infrastructure ranks as one of the core public policy failings of the decade, to go along with its massive budget deficit/lack of a tax increase to pay for increased defense spending, and its lack of an energy policy to lower its trade deficit. The above were integral parts of the decade of descent. Here's hoping the new U.S. president and Congress heed Chairman Volcker's advice and invest in infrastructure, to start the decade of ascent. To borrow a phrase from a famous baseball team owner, if the U.S. does, the nation will be back, and we'll be better.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 05:04 AM
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1. Except that the American Engineer is as extinct as the middle class. H1-B killed off the whole
discipline.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 05:16 AM
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2. There's still a few around.
And they're very very angry.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:35 AM
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3. I'm in an engineering program; classes are at half capacity
I suppose that means I'll be in a good position to get a job, if jobs exist in a few years.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:47 AM
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4. What one thing would help you the most to finish?
Education Grants and Scholarships? (Note, I did not say Loans.) Assured employment? Recognition? A move back toward a
Professional Engineering System? Payed O.J.T. style Apprenticeships?

I'm really curious.


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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:08 AM
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5. Investment in infrastructure, and a guild and/or union
I'm not too worried about my loans, honestly, and financial aid for me is pretty good. Plus I have computer skills so if worst comes to worst I can fall back on that (I fix them, rather than program them, which is very hard to outsource).

No, I'm not so worried about finishing school (except after that last exam, but that's obviously a different story :) ). I'm worried about being able to find a job that's not in telecommunications. There's nothing wrong with telecomm per se, but it's just that it's the only field that has been hiring double-e's lately in any numbers. I'm hoping -- banking, for that matter -- on Obama's following through with his pledge to update our power grid. We're still using a 19th-century generation and distribution model: there's absolutely no reason to have power generated at a few large, dirty plants and sent over the wires to towns and cities. We should have more, smaller, cleaner plants and much more localized generation. We need to move towards cities, neighborhood co-ops, and even individual homes generating more clean power and selling the excess back to the grid -- we have the technology for this already, we just need the investment to make it happen and the political will to overcome the semi-private utilities' objections (I'm coming to think semi-private companies are the worst of both worlds). So what I'd like to see is a New Tennessee Valley Authority, one based on renewable local energy sources, that encompasses the whole country. That would make a ton of jobs for people like me, save everyone money on their power bills, and drastically reduce our greenhouse footprint.

Also, it would be good to have a guild. Engineering is a little bit like medicine: you go to school and learn the basics, then you have a kind of residency before you pass the equivalent of the Boards (the PE exam). The problem is it's not as structured as a residency is, and you can't *do* a lot of the stuff that you're supposed to be getting hands-on experience in because you're not a licensed engineer yet. Organizations like IEEE are good, but they really aren't what we need: we need a guild or union along the lines of IBEW where engineers can get professional support.

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:25 AM
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6. Thanks for the thorough reply.
Very interesting and IMHO a doable solution. :)
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:39 PM
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7. Thanks for posting
Rec.
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Locrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:14 PM
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8. yeah, well...
Edited on Sun Oct-26-08 03:16 PM by Locrian
Im and engineer. Let me, see, how should I put this: Fuck you Volcker.

These "captains" of economics and everything they represent piss me off. Kinda a little late with this advice? Where the hell were you and everyone else now admitting there should have been more regulation and now saying they were "surprised"? Were were you when you were chairman during St. Reagans terms?

Yeah - there are a few engineers left. Our 401K is cut in half. Our jobs are 5% engineering and 95% bullshit cost accounting. What is left will be shipped to china asap. And what IS left? There is no or little mfg in this country. Our skills are going down the tubes. Little or no RD. The engineers that are left are little more than feral dogs looking for any bone to chew....

So yeah. Fuck you Volcker, and all the rest who could have actually done something.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:37 PM
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9. And ARCHITECTS!!!
I'm an Architect!

My Sister is and Architect!

We need more commissions!!!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:45 PM
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10. Has been true of the UK since the beginning of our decline, in the middle of the
19th century.
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