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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:56 PM
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Hitchens Endorses the Obama/Biden ticket
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:58 PM
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1. argh
:argh:

he's an idiot, glad we got his vote but jeezzzzz :puke:
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:52 PM
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15. sigh...
He's not an idiot...

He favored the war... but he also believes in War Crimes tribunals for Henry Kissinger and independance for the Kurdish people... He's hardly an idiot. Tucker Carlson is an idiot.
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TripleEntente Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:04 PM
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2. Is he a conservative?
I'm unfamiliar with Hitchens. Is he a conservative?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:39 PM
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8. He's a drunk occasional unreliable conservative literate
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 07:40 PM by elleng
sob.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:37 PM
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11. Well...
Hitchens used to consider himself an Orwell Socialist... I wouldn't call him a conservative exactly. He is the protege of Gore Vidal, and ruffled feathers for supporting the war in Iraq.
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obamachangetheworld Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:36 PM
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16. He calls himself a "neoconservative"
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 09:37 PM by obamachangetheworld
as one label, that is. But he's very liberal when it comes to social issues. However he does strongly support nation building and the Iraq war. His support for president Bush and the war put him in unfavorable eyes among a lot liberals, however in a lot of ways he's a liberal himself.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:20 PM
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22. Thank you...
Yours is the fairest description so far.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:08 PM
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3. Yes he is a conservative - and English
He may be more like a British conservative rather than an American conservative - there is a difference.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:42 PM
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10. he's a naturalized american, ,he can vote
pretty sure the fucktard voted for bush but if he's voting for obama this time good!
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liberal texan Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:15 PM
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4. more examples of conservative intellectuals jumping ship
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 06:20 PM by liberal texan
Hitchens is the newest in a trend of Conservatives frightened of Palin
First it was Will
Brooks
Buckley Jr.
Now Hitchens.

The Republicans can't survive just on their base.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:43 PM
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12. I tire of this website's horrible memory.
Hitchens used to write for the Nation Magazine... He was an Orwell Socialist, a supporter of Kurdish independence, a fighter against religion in politics, and he is one of the major proponents of war crimes proceedings against Henry Kissinger. He hates Clinton, yes and with some good reason... he supported the War in Iraq yes, but he is hardly a complete neocon. He marches to beat of his own drummer, and I welcome him to the fold. His disgust for the Palin selection is founded in good reason... as is ours
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:23 PM
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5. This paragraph about Palin is amazing.
And the only public events that have so far featured his absurd choice of running mate have shown her to be a deceiving and unscrupulous woman utterly unversed in any of the needful political discourses but easily trained to utter preposterous lies and to appeal to the basest element of her audience. McCain occasionally remembers to stress matters like honor and to disown innuendoes and slanders, but this only makes him look both more senile and more cynical, since it cannot (can it?) be other than his wish and design that he has engaged a deputy who does the innuendoes and slanders for him.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:45 PM
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13. There are many Hitchens paragraphs that are amazing...


A good read is his Trial of Henry Kissinger, or his Biography of George Orwell.

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OutNow Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:31 PM
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6. Hitchens - Also an atheist
I detest that drunken sod of a war pig. I had the opportunity to hear George Galloway speak at the big anti-war march in Washington 2 years ago, when he tore Hitchens apart for his support for Bush's war.

OTOH - Hitchens is a well known atheist (read is latest book "God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything" ) and I'm sure Palin's background scares the shit out of him. As it should.

Or maybe he has decided to crawl back to his former leftist positions. If so, he will have to crawl on his hands and knees for many miles before we forgive him for his cheer leading for Bush's Iraq war.
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liberal texan Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:40 PM
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7. I don't think so
He is supporting Obama dispite Obama's views on the war.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:50 PM
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14. I don't think he ever left his left positions.
He still supports Kurdish separatism, Atheism, War Crimes proceedings for Henry Kissinger, Orwell's socialism. I think he is just as afraid of the Taliban's religious fervor as he is of Palin's religious fervor... He's not so far from left in my opinion. He has strange and dangerous bedfellows now, but I tend to think he's closer to the left than the right.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:45 PM
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9. Marking for later read

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torbird Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:00 PM
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17. I'll buy that man a drink!
...in any bar in Iraq. Fucker.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:45 PM
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18. Global climate change must have just hit Hell
if you catch my drift
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mackerel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:05 AM
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19. You know he used to be good but then he became a parody
of himself. I always thought he and tranny annie would make a good couple or the very least a good SNL skit.

(That's Ann Coulter if you haven't notice her adams apple-lol)
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:13 AM
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20. I got it. and Agree
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:19 PM
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21. Wow...
How misinformed can you get. There is NO comparison between Hitchens and Ann Coulter. Hitchens' books are well researched and for all intents and purposes truthful. Ann Coulter is a hateful liar. Yes he is dogmatic, and ornery... He is NOT a fascist like Ann though. I regret that people here don't look deeper into the body of Hitchens' actual work.
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