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Turk 182 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:21 PM
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My own rant to a repug- sorry- pretty long
I have been having this back and forth email "debate" with a friend who is a RW. Every time I send her an article or tell her to research something, she always comes back with yes, but,but,but, and then proceeds to repeat RW talking points she heard on Faux news. I finally got tired of this game since it was obvious she wasn't really interested in the facts,:banghead: and sent her this rant. Haven't heard from her in 2 weeks :woohoo:

· I consider myself a left leaning independent, and so-


· I believe in the rights guaranteed in the first ten amendments to the Constitution, and that for an elected official to ignore or subvert these basic rights, for whatever reason, is a form of treason. The oath of office that the President takes says that he will, “to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution Of The United States Of America”.
· I believe in the Separation of Church and State. Thomas Jefferson coined the phrase” wall of separation between Church and State”. History is replete with examples of the bad results that occur when politics and religion mix, and the constitution specifically forbids a religious test for public office.
· I believe that a woman’s decision to have or not have a child should be between herself, her mate, her doctor, and whatever god she believes in. I don’t personally think that abortion should ever be used as a casual method of birth control, but there are enough unwanted children in this world and I believe that any argument that proposes to protect the fetus but gives no thought to the child after birth is cruel and hypocritical.
· I believe it is the height of patriotism to challenge the government when you think it is wrong, especially when it comes to sending men to war.
· I believe it takes a strong middle class to sustain a working democracy, and when that is undermined by economic policies which favor the additional accumulation of wealth by the already super wealthy, these policies should be seen for the power grab that they are, and the perpetrators of those policies should be thrown out of office as quickly as possible.
· I believe that Unions are essential to maintain the balance of power between labor and management, and that Unions have been the backbone of progress in working conditions, pay, and benefits that have lifted this country to prosperity.
· I believe that the job of government is to provide services that we cannot provide for ourselves and to protect the citizenry from harm physically, politically, and economically. Today’s world is very complicated in many ways, and individuals, no matter how diligent or knowledgeable they may be, cannot know everything there is to know about every aspect of even common events. When we buy a house, we get an inspector to insure us that the house is sound, and we get a lawyer to make sure we are not swindled. But we have to trust these people, and when that trust is violated, we need government to provide a remedy through oversight, regulations, and, ultimately the courts.
· I believe that without stringent government oversight, the marketplace becomes a dog eat dog, devil take the hindmost exercise in greed and corruption which ultimately causes pain and suffering to those left on the bottom due to no fault of their own.
· I believe that we, both individually and through the government, have an obligation to help those less fortunate than ourselves. Too many are born into this world with literally nothing, and it diminishes each of us when we stand by and do nothing. I believe that government has the obligation to help all its citizens equally to lead a more productive and fulfilling life, regardless of race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation.
· I believe that public education is not only essential to create and informed citizenry, but is the ladder upon which those born into poverty and ignorance have historically climbed to better themselves and their futures. Those who seek to destroy public education through various schemes such as vouchers and tax credits to attend private or parochial schools really seek to keep the lower classes “in their place” by starving the public schools of funds, and creating an inferior educational system. Separate is not equal!
· I believe that we should have a universal health care system. We are the only industrialized nation in the world that does not, and if you look at world statistics, you will see that we are nowhere near the best in longevity or infant mortality, two main measures of how effective a health care system is. Insurance companies typically spend 10% percent of each premium dollar on administration costs while Medicare spends only 1%. Universal health care is not socialized medicine, as some would have you believe. Doctors would not work for the government but would be paid by a single payer. Less paperwork, less waste, more time for patient care.


Bottom line: While I know that politicians of both parties have been corrupted by power and greed, I generally believe that the principles of the Democratic Party are much closer to my own.
Democrats believe in a strong middle/working class with the ability to earn a living wage and live in decent housing and the right of workers to join a union.
Republicans are anti-union, and anti middle class unless they can tax them.
Democrats believe in strong, fully funded Public Education.
Republican seek to destroy public education and replace it with private and religious schools by voucher and tax credit schemes.
Democrats believe in the Separation of Church and State.
Republicans believe that our laws should be based on the bible(what they won’t tell you is whose bible) and that religion should be a major part of public life( but whose religion?) .These people are no better than the Taliban in Afghanistan. After all, that’s exactly what they want too.
Democrats believe in a woman’s right to chose.
Republican believe they have the right to legislate a woman’s body. It might surprise you to know that many religions, including Judaism, do not see abortion as murder and don’t want someone else’s belief system to become law.
Democrats believe in three separate and equal branches of government, not an executive dictator.
Republican, who were in total control of the congress for six years, did nothing to curb Bush’s power grab and excesses, not to mention his shredding of the Constitution.
Democrats welcome people of all colors, religions, national origin and sexual orientation without discrimination.
Republican have made it clear that while they may tolerate “people of color” because they need their votes, they are not really welcome. If you don’t believe me, look at pix from the Repub. convention. How many brown or black faces do you see? And gays;
Fuggedaboutit.

Democrats believe in a strong national security, they just don’t believe we have to shred the “Bill of Rights” to insure it. If, in order to defeat the enemy, we give up those freedoms that have made us a great and admired country worldwide, then we have already lost. Remember what ole’ Ben Franklin said about freedom and security.

Certainly, if I ever had any doubts, these last eight years have erased them. I am absolutely convinced, without a shadow of a doubt that George W. Bush will go down as the worst president in US history for so many reasons they would take volumes to list. Actually, they already have.

John McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. A 10% “maverick” just aint good enough.




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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:30 PM
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1. Wow, that last line would make a great bumper sticker!
My guess is your friend has never researched anything & what you sent her is a small sampling of what she would discover if she would do that research. You concisely placed it in one email & now she has been confronted with what she doesn't want to know.

I liked this statement a lot: "While I know that politicians of both parties have been corrupted by power and greed, I generally believe that the principles of the Democratic Party are much closer to my own."

I only had a few rw friends when boosh came into office & I'm not in touch with any of them now. Some people say you shouldn't let politics get in the way of friendship or family. I say that politics indicates a world view & if someone's view is that contrary to mine, life is too short to waste my time. Only you can decide if this friendship is worth your time.



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stopwastingmymoney Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:42 PM
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2. excellent rant!

Thank you for putting it all in one essay, I'm bookmarking for reference
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 06:37 PM
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3. Thank you. I'm going to borrow your lists. My guess is, many of us have lost "friends" (and
maybe family) over this election.

For me... it was time to put up or shut up.

I always see Democrats as being open and giving the other side time and room to speak.
I respect more than my own opinion. And I think I give too much credence to fair play.

This election, for me, became NO MORE MR. NICE GUY (or could that be "ms. nice guy"?)

Nope. No pulling punches. No more passing up the chance to point out the truth. No more fear about rocking the boat or making someone else uncomfortable with my views.

Nope. The first time one of those people sent around an inflammatory and lie-riddled email about Obama, I researched the piece of crap fully and sent the entire page out of Snopes to the sender and everyone on the list. Then I wrote an email and asked for an apology. The person was incensed. She kept saying it was all true -- even with all the facts that said "not." She swore she was right anyway. Then she said, "enough. I don't want to hear any more on this." And I wrote back any way. I wrote that she was rude and I guess free speech meant only her way.

And you know, even though this person had been a dear friend for close to 20 years -- I don't care now. I don't need that constant feeling of being unable to speak my side of the issues or even refute her side.

And with my family -- the same thing. I have a brother who's a Rush devotee. So, now I send him articles -- lots of articles. He says "don't send me these." And I just laugh and send the articles. I don't care what he think about me. I just want him to think. Period.

Yep... no more Silent Minority, if that's what we dems were supposed to be -- what with ONE radio station and now TWO commentators on our side (KO and Maddow).

Rant.
March.
Chant.
Talk.
Argue.
Convince.
Register.
VOTE.

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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:57 PM
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4. May I also borrow your lists in response to my RW friend's e-mails?
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Turk 182 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:54 PM
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7. borrow away
and add to it- I'm sure I must have missed a few.
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:33 PM
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5. yo turk....
welcome to DU and quite a strong post to kick it off. This thing needs posted all over the hell and back. AGAIN: WELCOME!!
where have you been all this time?
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Turk 182 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:52 PM
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6. thanks
been around for quite a while- just don't usually have time to post myself.
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Turk 182 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:08 PM
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8. ooops- "friend" just emailed
she still has doubts about Obama being Christian (as if it matters) and thinks he's hiding his real Muslim beliefs.
I give up- she's been drinking that Fox Cool-aide so long her brain's fried :tinfoilhat:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:04 AM
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9. Ah, the old Moooslim excuse.
That seems to be a pretty popular one for people that just can't admit that their guy sucks and our guy rules!

Or can't bear to vote for a Democrat no matter how qualified.

Or can't bear to vote...for a Black man.
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ccinamon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:48 PM
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10. Standing Ovation!!
:toast:

:applause:
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