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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:19 PM
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Votes are being stolen, now, by hundreds of thousands
Votes are being stolen, now, by hundreds of thousands--and the Democrats aren't doing anything about it. RFK, Jr.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.: There are about 30 scams the Republicans are deliberately using, particularly in the swing states to get Democratic voters off the rolls. These scams originate in the so-called Help America Vote Act, which was passed after the Florida debacle in the year 2000. It was originally suggested by Democrats and Republicans, but it was passed by a Republican Congress with a Republican senate and a Republican president. And instead of reforming what happened in Florida it basically institutionalized all the problems that happened in Florida. And institutionalized a series of impediments that make it very difficult for Democrats to register, for Democrats to vote and then for Democrats to have their votes counted.

One of these requirements under HAVA is called 'the perfect match,' and what that does is little known but it is devastating. A quarter of the voters in Colorado have just been removed from the rolls because of this-- just this one scam. And what it does is, they use a computer system to compare your registration application to all other government records in the state. So they'll look at your Social Security records, your Motor Vehicle records, and any time you've had any interaction with the government, and if there is any information on your voter registration that is different than the information on another government record that they find, they remove you from the voting rolls.

For example, if I registered as Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and yet my motor vehicle license said Robert Frances Kennedy Jr., I'd be removed from the rolls. If your initial is different, if you leave an initial out, if you leave a "Jr." out, if you leave a hyphen out in your name. And what they've done is a study in New York that said 80% of the errors are errors by state clerks taking down this information. And particularly immigrant communities, people tend to vote Democratic, people have namesŠspell Muhammad with an "o" instead of a "u"

(Crosstalk)

Papantonio: Are the Democrats suing to stop this?

RFK, Jr.: No, the Democrats are doing nothing to stop it. In New Jersey, which is a swing state, 300,000 voters in New Jersey were just sent letters saying that they are now ineligible to vote. New Jersey is nice enough to actually notify them--most states will not even notify them. And New Jersey intends to send out 870,000 letters so that is three quarters of a million people off the voting rolls in a state that could decide this vote by 50,000 votes. And these are Democrats that are being pushed off the rolls.

Let me tell you about one of other scams people should know about. If you're a newly registered voter--and of course the Democrats have done these gigantic registration drives--12 million people on registration--if you're a new voter, you MUST include your license or some other state I.D. when you come to vote. What that means is that if you're a college kid--and college kids now, they're sending in absentee ballots, they're not going to the voting place, they do everything online or they do everything remotely. They don't dream of going to the precinct house voting on election day and waiting in a long line. So if they send in the absentee ballot, and they don't include a color copy of their license, their vote is going to be thrown into a trash can. And none of these people know this, because you had to have to read the law in order to know it. There is no notification when you fill out your registration form, so all of those 12 million people that the Democrats have registered--those ballots are going to be just thrown out.

Papantonio: And if Democrats won't talk about this, how the hell's anybody gonna know about it? I'm involved with this kind of thing every day--I didn't know that until you just told me. The media is not talking about it. How in the hell is somebody gonna find this out? It's just incredible.

RFK, Jr.: Hopefully--Obama is getting $66 million a month--hopefully somebody in the Democratic organization is going to pay some attention to this before Election Day.


more at: http://airamerica.com/ringoffire/blog/2008/sep/22/rfk-jr-and-pap-your-vote-safe
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:23 PM
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1. I have been worrying about this for years
leading up to this presidential election. I can only hope the Obama campaign is fielding lawyers all over the country to keep the election clean.

Or as clean as possible.

Clean enough to get Obama in his rightful place -- the Oval Office as President of the United States
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:25 PM
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2. I thought about this today and wondered why the democratic party
is not screaming bloody murder? Why are their no lawsuits challenging these votes being stolen? Is it because like our financial institutions the theifs have found away around the law?
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:35 PM
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4. I wish someone like Rachel Maddow would pick up on this
and run segments about it on her show, maybe have RFK Jr. there as a guest to explain.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:35 PM
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5. Welcome to my world- and the past 7 years of my life.
Screaming bloody murder, emailing, faxing and calling the media, doing film showings of various election fraud films, giving out flyers, calling congress, calling the Senate, embarrassing my friends and family by talking to strangers about election fraud, joining activist groups-- and for what? Blank stares of disbelief and non-action from most of the democratic party. It's beyond incomprehensible. Any ideas? I'm up for anything since they have already started the rigging for November.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:33 PM
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3. With all that is going on, no one is paying attention.
If, indeed, this is a close race, then this is very worrisome.
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:49 PM
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6. NATIONAL GUARANTEE YOUR VOTE DAY
Remember Oct. 1, 2008 is NATIONAL GUARANTEE YOUR VOTE DAY. We are asking all blogs, organizations and individuals to take a few minutes out of their day and check on their registration status. Just because you think you are registered to vote, doesn't mean you are. We are then asking for five minutes more of your day to text, phone or email all your members/readers to do the same.

To find out more about this action and also on how to check on your registration online, go to www.americasolidarity.org or www.guaranteeyourvote.org we are still looking for partners and endorsers of this action. We the Washington State Central Labot Committee, Center for Creative Journalism, The Tacoma Dominican Sisters, The Velvet Revolution, Churches, WA 27th District Democrats and many others endorsing or participating.

For more info or to schedule an interview, please call...Mike Collier at the MICAH Project (253) 627-0129 micah.project@yahoo.com or Todd Iverson @ (253) 219-8717 todd@americasolidarity.org

thanks-Mike C
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:52 PM
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7. Thanks.
I did just check. But I will remind everyone I know.
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:58 PM
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8. thank you!!!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:59 PM
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9. It's very important.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 09:26 PM
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14. I already checked, thanks
And we have mail-in ballots here in Whatcom Co. WA. But I will remind others I know who vote, to make sure they're on the lists.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 10:37 PM
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17. It isn't a close race, but that only a close race can be hacked is a complete myth!
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daughter of liberty2 Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 09:10 PM
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10. I'm in Colorado
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 09:11 PM by daughter of liberty2
and this is the first that I have heard of this happening.We have worked really hard over the last couple of elections to get people registered here and it would be a shame if this is not challenged by the Dems.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 10:31 PM
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16. CALL your state democratic party and ASK what is being done

You would be shocked (or maybe you wouldn't be), but I have called other state's dem party offices and I was informing THEM of the issue. Simply ask, how are the dems responding.

If not, call Howard Dean at the DNC. (just google DNC)

The more people call, the better chance it will see some coverage and maybe action.
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torbird Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 09:18 PM
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11. So...
I keep seeing reprises of this "scare" argument about how we'll all be shut out of the polls on election day. I'm skeptical. Wouldn't absentee voting take care of this apparent problem? Also, wouldn't having a second form of ID, like, say a utility bill, solve it? Or, alternatively, if you know your home address and can recite it...?

All I'm saying is, I move a lot (not for bad reasons, I just do). I have lived in North Carolina and Illinois, and my driver's license almost never matches my voter registration. Yet I have voted, in-person, in every local and national election since 1996. I understand that HAVA is only since 2000, but I still haven't ever had any trouble voting. Once I explain that my license is not updated and I say my current, registered address, they always give me a ballot (and not a provisional one. A real one).

Rather than getting (a bit) hysterical about "stolen" votes and how stupid and fucked we are for "allowing" it to happen, why doesn't RFK help educate people about how to deal with discrepancies at their polling places.

Dial down the scare language and boost the help factor, dude.
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 09:18 PM
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12. I've
already emailed her about this and I asked her to pass this along to Keith Olberman. I love it if everyone else did the same.
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 09:25 PM
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13. OMG! My daughter isn't coming up on the Indiana voter rolls!
She voted absentee in 2006 but I don't think she sent a copy of ID with it!!!!! I'M FREAKING OUT! I only have this week to make sure she is still registered!!! I didn't know about this! Thank you so much I will tell every college kid and their parents!
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:17 AM
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18. I hope you are able to resolve this issue, let us know how it turns out
I would be interested in hearing what you find out.
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p4poetic Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 10:08 PM
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15. unbelievable
And scary at the same time. Wow, thankfully I decided to lurk/take a peak here before I went to go to bed.
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