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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:05 PM
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How Hillary Clinton's power play failed
On Tuesday night, as his wife Hillary's hopes of winning the Democratic presidential nomination were going the way of the Titanic, Bill Clinton was on his mobile telephone.

He was not discussing how Mrs Clinton could leave the race with dignity and congratulate Barack Obama on his historic victory in the primary elections.

Instead, the former president was shouting at his wife's aides urging them to pressure superdelegates to stand by her and cajole others to defect from Mr Obama. It was the political equivalent of rearranging the deckchairs on that doomed ship.

Hillary Clinton's attention was on finalising a concession speech in which she conceded nothing, save her belief that she is still a stronger candidate than Mr Obama.

Many close to the Clintons believe that the events of that night were the inevitable culmination of both Mrs Clinton's dysfunctional campaign and her personality, that the manner of her exit explains all you need to know about the reasons for her demise.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/06/07/do0711.xml


This is absolutely a must-read article.

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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:20 PM
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1. Actually I think we really need to get over both Hillary and Bill and move along! n/t
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:21 PM
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2. No, it's not; why beat a dead horse? Are there no Repukes to revile?
There's nothing worse than a sore winner.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:00 AM
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10. I don't believe these are Obama supporters we're dealing with here.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:39 PM
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3. It's not a must read. She lost. It's over. nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:41 PM
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4. Vicious in victory, the hallmark of the Obama campaign.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:06 AM
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11. one person. lighten up. this is over.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:16 AM
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12. Which part of the Obama campaign writes for the Telegraph?
One of the many things I won't miss from this primary season is the compulsion of Hillary's supporters to blame others for her failures.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:12 PM
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5. For those who have not read the article
it is not as bad as you might think. Yes, we know most of the stuff and have read it all before, but it ends with two paragraphs giving the Clintons credit for their efforts to bring about racial equality and helping create a time when Barack Obama could run for president. Just saying, it could be worse, a lot worse.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:55 PM
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6. It would seem at least some readers...
... weren't buying the closing racial equality remarks -- sample commentary from the readership:

Posted by Greg on June 7, 2008 4:39 PM

“… it denies the Clintons the genuine credit they are owed for making Mr Obama's victory possible...”

Isn’t it interesting that no matter what an African American achieves, whites want to take credit for it? Yes sir, this elegant, articulate, well-educated black man could only get where he got to on the back of a white narcissist from Arkansas and his equally self-absorbed wife. Is that what you’d have us believe?

Sadly, this article merely captures the fact that reporter Shipman has swallowed the Clinton myth hook, line and sinker. Even sophisticated Telegraph journalists just don’t understand the reality of (a) race relations in America today; or (b) the Clinton Mythology Factory, which runs 24/7. To cover the Clintons and their “first Black president” spin-machine, you’ve got to have a far healthier dose of skepticism then evidenced here. And when a Democrat talks about Bill’s and Hillary’s “life work” as racial equality ... Ha! That’s just priceless! The only life-work those two have ever known is themselves. History will record them as the perfect emblems of the Age of Narcissism, otherwise known as the Baby Boom Era.



Posted by Wayne on June 7, 2008 4:22 PM

With all Hillary's 'I have the experience', She obviously didn't have enough to organise a successful campaign!.


Posted by macnamara on June 7, 2008 4:10 PM

Hillary Clinton exposed her true self in her claim that she was under sniper fire during her Bosnia trip when all along she knew that it was not true. Without the evidence of the video news clip she would have maintained that stated position of hers. If she can blatantly tell a lie while she is not in yet in power, what will stop her from doing it again when she attains the power of being the President of the United States.


Posted by Noel B Diaz on June 7, 2008 3:31 PM

In 1990, when Clinton had been Arkansas
Governor for 10 years, The U.S. Supreme Court
decided, in Clinton v. Jeffers, that the
government of Arkansas, and the Governor in
particular, had systematically deprived black
people of their voting rights. Google it, read it
for yourself- Clinton's claim as the "first black
president", like so many other claims of the
Clintonistas, is mostly smoke and mirrors. One
of the problems of the Clintons campaign is
narcissism. The Clintons created the mirage and
then they began believing their own
fabrications.For example, Mrs. Clinton lays claim
to health insurance. People across the world
believe she is their warrior, this is the issue she
will fall on her sword for. Not true- Mrs. Clinton
claims credit for a U.S. law called S-CHIP (states
childrens health insurance program) which
provides health insurance to children otherwise
not covered. This was an existing Massachusetts
law, it was siezed upon by Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
and co-sponsored by Oren Hatch (R-UT). It was a
much ballyhooed effort to expand children's
health coverage nationally and it was signed into
law by President Clinton. Many people were
present at the signing ceremony. Notably, Mrs. C
was not. Mr. Kennedy later said, in passing, that
Mrs. Clinton supported his efforts. Somehow, a
decade later, that has morphed into her being
responsible for the law's passage.

Perhaps this is the best example of narcissism
replacing history. Mrs. Clinton has spent nearly
20% of the average working person's life as a
sitting U.S. Senator from a very powerful
American State. Tell me, What is the most
significant piece of legislation this LawMAKER
can claim credit for?




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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:33 AM
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8. I didn't go to the posts and ....
I was only trying to appease her supporters on this thread by saying what I did. You know trying to be a uniter and not a divider, of which I tend to remain (divided).

I have to say that upon reading these posters, I have to agree. I remember at the beginning of her campaign she even claimed to be a "Black woman". I about choked at that. I said I was more a Latina than she was an African American and I would never claim that title. And of course there is the "white speak" that was used during the last half of her campaign that I think helped earn them the "white working class American" vote. Oh well, I guess I have said enough. But thanks for showing me these posts and showing me that my brain is not functioning the way it should be. My skepticism button must have got switched off tonight when I fell. ;)
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:28 AM
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7. I could have done a better job than Mark Penn, ferchristsake!
There were attempts to modify that image of Mrs Clinton, but not early enough. The Democrat strategist said: "There was a meeting when everyone said that they had to play up her human side and Mark Penn said that being human was overrated. That's the whole campaign there in that moment, if you ask me."

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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 09:07 AM
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15. When I read that I thought, 'that's what you get for hiring a republican'
but then Mark Penn isn't republican, he's a lobbyist, they just ran a republican-style campaign.

'being human is overrated'
'we'll win 370 delegates out of California'

:eyes:
what a dumbass. he's charged her how many millions of dollars to rip defeat from the jaws of victory?
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:24 PM
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16. In a way, I'm glad it happened though.
It throws the lid off the garbage can, so to speak, so that everyone can see the bugs crawling around in this mess. Obama's pest control team gonna be on the job soon though, just as soon as we can get gramps to stop yelling at us from the lawn!
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:59 AM
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9. Didn't they promise they'd stop this when Hillary conceded, and endorsed Obama?
Makes me wonder who's really behind all this.

:shrug:
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 05:28 AM
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14. the Telegraph?
Why wouldn't this be the appropriate time for writing an analysis of a campaign, once it has concluded?

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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:39 PM
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17. How about this analysis....
HRC's going to be campaigning for Obama, therefore,
if you bash Hillary, you're bashing Obama by association.
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concerned canadian Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:24 AM
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13. an excellent read

affirming
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