Hillary's Shark-Jumping Moment

[SHRED]

I could not agree with Ms. Pease any more.
She lays out mine and many others sentiments here in a concise package.

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Hillary's Shark-Jumping Moment

By Lisa Pease
May 24, 2008

~SNIP~

It's been disgusting to me personally to have her carrying any banner for the Democratic party, of which I've been a proud member all my life, because I feel she undermines our values.

She complains she's gotten unfair treatment because she's a woman. But Obama never complained he got unfair treatment because he was black. McCain doesn't complain about getting unfair treatment because he's old.

Everyone gets unfair treatment at times. To label it misogyny is bizarre, untrue and demeaning to all the women who have spent lifetimes fighting for equal rights.

You can't ask to be President of the United States and then whine about how unfairly you're treated. All people running for President are going to be treated unfairly.

MORE:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/052408a.html

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[Clear Blue Sky]

1. Good summary of this whole mess.

Hillary certainly doesn't have the political skills of her husband.

[tbyg52]

5. Neither does her husband, anymore..... nt

[Clear Blue Sky]

6. I'm not so sure.

There are theories about that Bill doesn't want Hillary to win. And his comments may be sabotage. When he was campaigning for himself, he was quite a bit more deft.

[tbyg52]

7. That's what they *sound* like, all right.

Wonder if it's conscious or unconscious?

He hasn't even seemed like the same *person* - mean and nasty.

[Dogmudgeon]

2. Pease will hate Obama in a couple years, too.

The "progressive" left always turns against its own.

Always.

I hope Barack Obama is ready to be called a "traitor", a "Repuke-lite", and scorned by every Alinsky-wannabe in America. The venom now being turned on Hillary once poured out to Carter; to the Kennedys (Jack and Teddy alike); to Al Gore and to most of the election-losers.

It also means that we will probably love Hillary again in a few years; and that Barack Obama's years in the desert are likely to be about 2010 to 2024.

We're so juvenile ... so self-destructive ... so predictable.

--p!

[SHRED]

3. "progressive left"??

Your political scale, like all of ours, is very subjective and writing from that premise clouds your rebuttal IMHO.

The Clintons offended much more than the "progressive left".
The Clintons offend clear thinking Democratic Party moderates who realize the depth of Bill and Hillary's DLC corporate ties.

NAFTA, Telcom Act, Commodities Modernization Act, etc...we have been over this ad nauseum haven't we?


There...I wrote from my "clouded premise".
:P

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[Dogmudgeon]

4. It would help if the "clear thinkers" got a few facts right.

On NAFTA (which is probably cited 100-150 times a day on DU) at least. I am sure there are those who blame Clinton for the simultaneous appearance of comets Hyakutake and Hale-Bopp, too.

Then there is history.The points you made, especially the "corporate lies" part, are identical to claims made for the perfidy of Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Lyndon Johnson, JFK, and especially Truman. Penthouse magazine, in its era of respectability when it ran a lot of punditry, had a monthly column called "Jimmy Carter's 100 Most Recent Lies". Teddy Kennedy was often portrayed in political cartoons as a dinosaur. JFK is still roundly scorned as a war-monger and a blood-brother of Joe McCarthy.

We desperately want a strong Leader to guide us like a surrogate father. Then, the first time our new Dad pisses us off, we turn on him with blind rage. It takes ten to twenty years before we love him again, although the populace at large usually thinks he's pretty good. And we still haven't gotten it through our skulls that if we want to get rid of corporatism, we will have to regain control over the terms written into corporate charters and be prepared for some financial hardships during the transition period -- and do it ourselves, without initiative from elected officials.

I make no claims for my political scale or yours. The heated criticism always comes from the further-left. This is not a matter of opinion, but of observable events and self-identification -- Noam Chomsky would not consent to identifying himself as a moderate, and Christopher Hitchens strenuously avoids identifying as a neo-Con. The timbre of the criticisms do, certainly, change. You may think your criticisms are perfectly sound and well-deserved, as I find similar excessive and reactive, but they address the same body of evidence. Whether you call it "informed judgment" or "corporate lies", its source is from the further-left, more educated, and more affluent.

Of course, I have yet to meet ANYONE who will consent to being described with a label -- or anyone who does NOT do it to others.

A few years from now, the focus will be on how Bill kept the Republicans from running riot over the American people; and as he leaves office, President Obama will be scorned as a corporate traitor, a liar, a cheat, a crook, and probably as a "lamer". Today, Slick Willie Clinton is the craven author of NAFTA, the Family Protection Act, the Communication Act of 1996, and all that is corporate and reprehensible; in ten years, it will be Wonderful Bill who created 23 million jobs, wiped out an enormous deficit, slew the dragon of Newt Gingrich, got a foot in the door for gay rights, and held terrorists at bay without the mind-fuckery of Bush & Co.

The big rhetorical question is: How long are we going to keep repeating this futile and self-defeating pattern?

--p!

[Miss Authoritiva]

8. Categorically...

Categorically, I refuse to read political articles that reference in either title or text the "fact" that some candidate or candidate's lackey has taken a flying leap over a member of the class Chondrichthyes (subclass Elasmobranchii).

Jump the shark has been thrown under the bus.

If a political writer can't keep up with these trends, then I can't trust him/her to keep up with the politics.

[salguine]

9. 'Cause if you call it misogyny,

you don't have to confront the fact that you ran a shitty campaign and you're a shitty person.