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CrisisPapers Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:25 AM
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Adieu, Randi Rhodes
| Ernest Partridge |

Randi Rhodes has left the building, but the controversy lingers on.

I rarely write about personalities, being much more interested in issues and ideas. Celebrity-obsession is a major pox on the American body-politic, and I'd just as soon ignore the AAR-Rhodes contretemps. But l'affaire Rhodes bears larger implications that deserve examination.

Quite frankly, I will miss the Randi Rhodes show on Air America Radio. She is smart, sassy, witty, and she deftly stroked my political biases. But a typical RR show was like a feast of carnival junk food: enjoyable at the moment, but devoid of much nourishment. (I exclude from this assessment her interviews with such outstanding guests as John Dean, Jonathan Turley and Brent Budowsky). I prefer to listen to the radio with the expectation that I might learn something. Far better to listen to Thom Hartmann and Rachel Maddow, each of whom possess a high-wattage intellect and awesome critical skills, gained through years of serious study. Plain brilliance is a rare commodity in talk radio, and Hartmann and Maddow both have it in generous abundance.

On the other hand, the Randi Rhodes show was my guilty pleasure, evoking many grins and chuckles, and suitable for multi-tasking: background for housework, driving, or typing and filing at my desk. Yes, I will miss The Randi Rhodes Show, but will be none the worse for her departure.

As I learned long ago, when for a couple of years I had a talk show in Salt Lake City, a microphone can be a mischievous ego-inflator. On Air America Radio, Hartmann, Maddow, Flanders, Kennedy, Papantonio have displayed a commendable ability to keep their egos in check. Sam Seder, on the other hand, might benefit from their example.

Of late, Randi's ego has got the better of her, as she has become increasingly abusive of her callers, even those who are approximately 80% in agreement with her. Hillary-supporters could expect to be insulted, shouted-at, and cut off at any moment. The number of McCain supporters heard on Randi's show was roughly equivalent to the appearance of authentic liberals on the Rushathon or the Hannity-Calamity. Moreover, Randi has acquired the strange notion that informed liberals give a fractional goddam about her personal showbiz enthusiasms. OK, so she likes to watch "American Idol." But enough, already!

Even so, there is an audience for that sort of thing, for, as we were reminded daily, The Randi Rhodes Show was promoted as the "top liberal talk show in the nation." (By whose count, I wonder?)

While I regret Randi Rhodes' departure from Air America Radio, I endorse the decision of AAR's management to suspend her. This incident could have had a better outcome if Randi had used her time off the air to reflect on her performance and her role in the upcoming political contest. Then she might have returned to AAR both a better person and a better performer. The AAR owners gave her that opportunity.

But reflection and contrition are not part of Randi's moral repertory. So she quit.

Randi's regrettable "f***ing whore" outburst, aimed at Hillary Clinton, put the AAR management in an impossible lose/lose dilemma. Toleration of such behavior was unthinkable (as I will argue shortly). A summary firing was overkill, which would have outraged her many fans and seriously muffled the already faint voice of liberal talk radio. (Just consider the outcry that resulted from her suspension). But while suspension was the judicious middle-road, this too has had its costs. Once Randi Rhodes uttered those two words in public, there was to be no easy solution for AAR management. Suspension was merely the least-worst alternative.

There is no first amendment issue here, so may we please put that nonsense aside? No one has a "right" to gain or keep a microphone or to demand space in a publication. I have no first amendment claim on the New York Times to publish my essays, nor a first amendment claim on Random House to publish my book. (Alas!) Just read the relevant portion of that amendment: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press." This does not forbid AAR from taking the microphone away from Randi Rhodes. It simply forbids the government from telling AAR what it can or cannot broadcast, just as it forbids the government from telling The New York Times and The Washington Post that it can't publish the Pentagon Papers. (Ah, those were the days! RIP free and independent press).

So we turn now to those "larger implications" of Randi Rhodes' outburst in that San Francisco night club.

Like Randi Rhodes, I http://www.crisispapers.org/essays8p/barack.htm">support Barack Obama, and find much http://www.crisispapers.org/essays7p/hillary.htm">to criticize in the behavior of Hillary Clinton, who, prior to this campaign, I had once greatly admired. But Obama's advantage today is such that the prize is all-but won. Like the wolf in the Russian tale, "Peter and the Wolf," Hillary Clinton is trapped: the more she tries to throw off the lasso, the tighter its hold on her. Clinton's negative attacks on Obama are backfiring: he is rubber, she is glue. Barring a colossal blunder by Obama, anything that Clinton might do to win the nomination will be so destructive to the party and to her reputation that the prize will be worthless.

The wise decision of the Obama campaign, thus far brilliantly conducted, is to hold back while the Clinton campaign self-destructs. All the while, Obama projects calm, poise, and respect for his rival.

Into this well-considered and well-executed strategy, storms Randi Rhodes. With "friends" like this, who needs enemies?

Remember, above all, that while Randi was attacking a fellow Democrat, she was at the same time alienating that candidate's supporters. In a recent poll, more than thirty-percent of Hillary Clinton's supporters said that they would not be inclined to vote for Obama if he gets the nomination. If even half of those sore losers feel the same way on election day, John McCain will be our next president. So, at the very least, those two abusive words were tactically stupid.

Next, there is the question of the preferred "tone" of the post-convention campaign. Aside from a small and shrinking contingent of "dittoheads," the American public has had just about enough of the right-wing screech-merchants. Evidence? Consider the "retirement" of Tucker Carlson, and declining audience of FAUX News and of Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly and the other "Lords of Loud." At the same time, MSNBC, with its emerging contingent of responsible liberals and centrists such as Keith Olbermann, Dan Abrams, and now Rachel Maddow, is overtaking FOX and CNN, while CBS's 60 Minutes is willing to give air time to an investigation of the Siegelman persecution.
If the public is, at long last, turning away from politics-as-personal-destruction, then it ill-behooves progressive broadcasters to perpetuate this misbehavior by imitating it. The last thing we need this season is a left-wing version of Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter. The Republicans, under the tutelage of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove, have perfected the art and craft of political skullduggery. If the Democrats choose to play by the rules of these scoundrels, they will lose. But if, instead, the Democrats treat these tactics with the contempt that they deserve, and direct the public's attention to indisputable facts and compelling issues, they can win in November, and there is a chance that we might take our country back from the outlaws, thieves and oligarchs.

I am not, however, counseling rhetorical disarmament by asking the Democrats to bring bare knuckles to a knife-fight. Al Gore thought that the "inventing the internet" was unworthy of a reply. So too John Kerry when confronted with the "Swift Boat Vets." And we know how all that turned out. Be assured that this time, Karl Rove, though out of the White House, is still very much in the fight. So we must be prepared for more of the same gutter politics from the GOP.

But while the Democrats need not fight dirty, they must fight smart. They must use "rhetorical judo," by turning the opponent's strength to their own advantage. That is precisely what Rove did with the "swift boat" caper. But that attack, like the Bush/Rove attack on McCain in South Carolina in 2000, was based on lies. The Democrats have more than enough truth in their armory to do fatal damage to the Republicans in November.

There is a fine line between well-deserved ridicule on the one hand and abusive insult on the other. Well-crafted ridicule yields political advantage, while insult has a way of backfiring. The Democrats should watch that line very carefully.

Howard Dean says that the Democrats will not use McCain's age as an issue. Well, yes and no. Calling him "Grandpa" seems out of line. But pointing out, and, better yet, showing video clips of "senior moments," is fair game. A candidate's capacity to function as Chief Executive is most assuredly a valid issue.

McCain has acquired the label, "Senator Bomb-Bomb." Fair enough. He did, after all, sing "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." The public needs to be reminded that bombing appears to be McCain's favored "instrument of diplomacy." And that photo of McCain hugging Dubya deserves to be shown at least as often as the image of Bill Clinton hugging Monica at the rope line. The media will not oblige, of course, but in a country with a genuinely free press, it could be possible. And, more to the point, the McCain/Dubya hug really happened, and that image conveys a deeper truth: that McCain will do anything to further his career, even cozy-up to the man who insulted his wife and child. Furthermore, it bears repeating that McCain is now up close and personal with the detested George Bush and his policies.

Simply put, that fine line between deserved ridicule and insult is the line between truth and slander. Slander is the mother's milk of Karl Rove and his kind, and slander and lies are all that the Republicans have left. The Democrats have no need of it, for the truth will suffice. As Harry Truman put it, "I didn't give ‘em Hell, I gave them the truth and they thought it was Hell."

Let that "truth" be the truth that cruelly impacts the lives ordinary Americans. The truth that their sons are being sent abroad to fight and die in fruitless and immoral wars. That their country has been demeaned by an illegal war and is being led by war criminals who lied us into that war. That their government's treasury has been looted, that their jobs have been exported; that they have lost or are about to lose their homes, their pensions and their health care.

If these truths can somehow break through the iron curtain of the corporate media, and if somehow enough votes can be fairly counted, the Democrats can win in November.

This can be accomplished without calling our opponents "f***ing whores," least of all those "opponents" within our own party. Those who resort to such behavior must be condemned, and the public at large must understand that such behavior will not be tolerated within the ranks of the supporters of the Democratic party.

We are better than that. Let the world take note.

Let's face it: though there is a light-year's distance between the intellectual capacities and moral qualities of the presumptive candidates, Barack Obama and John McCain, this election campaign promises to be brutal. As Al Gore will testify, a simple "win" will not suffice. GOP partisans own the media and count the votes, and they are even today hard at work throwing millions of Democratic voters off the rolls. Either the Democrats win overwhelmingly or they lose. There will be no photo finish this time.

Even while the pre-convention contest continues, it is not too soon for Democrats to unite. Obama and Clinton must now direct their critical fire, not at each other, but at the presumptive Republican nominee. So too the liberal and progressive advocates on the minuscule authentic "liberal media." The punditocracy tells us that the early resolution of the GOP contest has worked to the advantage of the Republicans. This need not be so. That same resolution gave the left a singular and very vulnerable target. So have the Democrats used this early decision to their advantage? Don't be silly!

Leave it the Democrats never to miss and opportunity to miss an opportunity.

It is past time for the establishment Democrats to wise up. Bush, Cheney, Rove, and their chosen supplicant, John McCain, are the enemies, not the Clintons or, alternatively, Barack Obama. The end of the GOP/corporate kleptocracy and the restoration of the American republic and its Constitution are the over-arching issues before us.

Those who promote discord within the party ranks, be they Hillary Clinton or Randi Rhodes, are doing the devil's work, and they must be marginalized.

If Randi Rhodes uses her unintended hiatus to cool down, reflect, and redirect her considerable talents to an engagement with the appropriate adversaries and issues, then her return to the struggle will be both valuable and welcomed.

-- EP
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:28 AM
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1. Adieu?? She sounded triumphant yesterday - her first day on Nova M Radio.
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 09:29 AM by ClassWarrior
NGU.


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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:50 AM
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4. She certainly did--and a big plus is, Randi again gets to work with long-time
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 09:51 AM by lulu in NC
producer and friend John Manzo. I think she's truly happy with her new work situation.

on edit: I love Randi, but I think her ego could calm down a bit.
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H8fascistcons Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:43 AM
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2. HHHMMMMMM.....
1. Hillary is a republican

2. Get off the crack pipe

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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:45 AM
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3. Hey there Ernest.
As long as there are right wing attack dogs on the RW radio, we should have liberal attack dogs as well.

That way, Randi gets to put on the spiked collar and get in the pit for whoever is our candidate in the fall. The candidate does not have to.

In the primary season, ideally we should not attack our own. But Randi only chose sides after HRC had praised John McCain over Obama.

No one has fired HRC yet. For perspective, the wide stance party is also locked in a intermural struggle, and nothing done so far on our side comes even close to the vitriol on the right. They were able to squash it for a pseudo unity. And look what they have now.

John Insane.

Without Rupert Murdoch, Jessie Ventura could beat him with the English language tied behind his back. And here it is April, and the McCain fiction is slipping.

When it is John vs. a Dem, I want Randi Rhodes to be as bad as she wanna all over that warmonger's ass. .
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:56 PM
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26. She didn't endorse/praise/anything McCain over Obama.
I've said it before elsewhere. If he can't win on his own merits without his supporters lying then he shouldn't be the nominee.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:08 PM
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27. You have the right to your own opinion.
But not to your own facts.

When you praise a Republican nominee for their capability, and omit your Democratic challenger in the same answer, you might as well request and honorarium from the RNC. I consider it a quanta worse than Coulter 'endorsing' Hillary, because no one expects gravitas from Ann Coulter.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:32 PM
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28. But what you're saying simply is not true.
She didn't endorse or otherwise promote McCain. She simply said that both she and McCain have more experience than Obama. Obama hasn't even completed one term in the Senate. That's fact.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:24 PM
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33. And so is CBS News?
From CBS News' Fernando Suarez:

FORT WORTH, TEXAS -- Hillary Clinton told reporters that both she and the presumtive Republican nominee John McCain offer the experience to be ready to tackle any crisis facing the country under their watch, but Barack Obama simply offers more rhetoric. “I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say,” she said. “He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002.” Clinton was referring to Obama’s anti-war speech he delivered in Chicago before entering the United States Senate.

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She just gave McInsane a great ad. What part of that don't you get?

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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:17 PM
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38. She is stating that immoveable and unspinnable object known
as a fact. She said that both she and McCain have more experience than Obama. You know, Obama who has never been a governor; never been a small or a large city mayor; Obama who has not even served an entire term in the Senate? That Obama? The part that you apparently don't get.

Four or eight years from now, more experience, an actual trail of actual votes in the Senate and I would have been delighted to vote for him.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:55 PM
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42. Perhaps
if you can return your head to its original upright position, and read Hillary's statement for content, you might be able to see why it was beyond the pale.

But your fact would be a lot more relevant, if it represented a career with eight years of something that looked less craven or gullible, depending on how you interpret her Senate IWR vote.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:08 AM
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5. Awfully long post to say you are not a Randi thread. I could've said it in a sentence...lol..n/t
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:23 AM
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6. You need all them extra words to obscure the details.
In a world full of ass kissers a bloody nose becomes one those occupational hazards
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Gore Edwards Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:49 AM
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40. randi thread
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 05:07 AM by Gore Edwards
I'd hope your sentence would make more sense than your post.Thanks for your input! LOL!
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:33 AM
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7. I feel similarly....
I used to like Randi. She lost me on this one tho. Hope she cools off and gets it together.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:33 AM
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TriggerGal Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:44 AM
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9.  "top liberal talk show in the nation."
By ARBITRON ratings.

Ever hear of them?
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:20 AM
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12. Well, she may be rated the "top liberal" on the air, but...
... you don't need to stray too far from the liberal court that we are to see that some people behind the microphone need to EVOLVE in their methods of the message...

What was the point of that stand up routine? It was cheap and unfunny. If it was to slap down Hillary for being the chump she is to allow a total destruction of her campaign, she didn't do a very good job of it. I guess that's why Ms. RR isn't a stand up comedian.

Meanwhile, Randi has found NovaM (I can no longer afford being a $100.00 founder member, sorry guys....) and we'll keep hearing her talk over her callers many days, she'll make us think while not being pissed off. Ultimately, RR will eventually "get" that she, too could need to look into the mirror.

Aribitron ratings? Sure, I've heard of them... I also hear American Idol is highly rated. God, I hope the two thousand ten's are a better decade.... :eyes:

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:11 AM
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10. You left out the Larry Johnson/Taylor Marsh campaign
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 11:12 AM by proud2Blib
to get Randi off the air. That's a pretty important part of the story.

You also apparently don't realize that Randi's contract prevented her from being fired. (And what kind of an idiotic management team would EVER negotiate a contract with that clause in it?)

The other kind of important factor is that AAR management is supporting Hillary.

But hey twist it any way you want. AAR is dead anyway.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:12 AM
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11. Yes
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:53 AM
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13. I think your attitude might be called "elitist"
I'm sorry that you find Randi too confrontational, but she has impeccable political instincts and is very entertaining. Randi is correct: Hillary is a republican and a disgrace to the party. She is purposely tearing the party apart. It is time for all who call themselves democrats to face the facts and quit pretending that she should be treated with kid gloves.
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Ernest Partridge Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:59 AM
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14. Eyes on the Prize, please!
Anyone notice?

None of the above dozen posts mention McCain or the GOP, or the urgent question of how the fall campaign might best be conducted. The bulk of my essay was about that question.

Typically, almost all the comments were about the messengers (RR & EP), scarcely a word about the message.

If that is to be the tone of the campaign -- personalities (McCain as a "maverick," a "straight talker," a "war hero" and Obama as "an elitist") rather than issues (the economy, the Iraq war, habeas corpus and the Bill of Rights, war crimes), then we are sure to lose.

Remember? "Who would you rather have a beer with?" "Which candidate in the debate came across as more likeable?" Sighs, earth tones, "inventing the internet," wind surfing, and of course, "elitism."

Play by GOP rules in the GOP ballpark, and we lose.

And the Dems, poor chumps, are taking the bait.

Pause for a moment. Reflect. Change course. Then WISE UP!

That's basically what I asked Randi to do.

With the results, alas, that you can read above.

Ernest Partridge
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:46 PM
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17. Thanks for this.
play in the GOP ballpark and we ALL lose.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:54 PM
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18. Would you expect us to pay much attention while you are calling us "POOR CHUMPS"
Are your words of description giving away your true feelings?

The problem with Randi is she has a pretty good outline of who we are dealing with, how this current primary relates to the G.E. and how she seems to be on the mark about sniffing out people involved with treachery (who do think got her fired anyway?). I have listened to Randi off and on for few years and her highlight on personalities didn't seem to exceed until Hillary went to the negative GOP type of attacks a few months ago. Randi is just a lieutenant fighting on one of the battle grounds. A battle ground knee deep in mud where coming out clean probably never was an option.
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Ernest Partridge Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:27 PM
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23. No apologies.
If you thoughlessly play by the GOP's rules and adopt GOP frames, then you are a "chump."

No apologies from me.

But if you are a democrat, progressive, liberal, independent, and perchance even a Republican, who focuses on issues, not personalities, if you march to your own drummer and not the lead of your adversaries, you are no chump.

Non-chumps: Maddow, Hartmann, Kennedy, Papantonio, Flanders, Olbermann, Sanders, Kucinich, and many more. Also, to be sure, Obama.

So Randi landed on her feet, and is back in action. Good for her!

If she is the same Randi and has learned nothing from this incident, then she remains less a significant voice than she might be.

But if her rough edges have been honed down a bit, she will serve the cause far better.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:23 AM
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39. So more of a descriptive than an actual pejorative, fair enough
That has been my beef since about forever also. I would apologize to you for thinking you might be identifying with the ass-kissers but can see you have purpose and that has nothing to do with any of that. I was not offended being penciled in as a chump just concerned your real reasoning was not being stated, thanks for clearing that up


Btw, my favorite of people who get to the point from the above list is a toss up between Obama and Flanders. I also can see you respond to others posts when they might not be expecting one. If you hang around long enough around here, you too will become jaded and blow off other inconsequentials like me :-)

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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:33 PM
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19. As usual, Mr Partridge, you make complete sense to me
I have been appalled at the number of people defending Randi's comments. I cannot STAND Hillary Clinton, but calling her a f---ing whore? Indefensible , as far as I 'm concerned ... Your analysis re: playing ( yet again) right into the republican "strategery" is right on the money. The anger of some of the replies to your OP , (and I've been reading your posts for awhile and consider you to be an important, intelligent voice of and for progressive values), shocks and saddens me . For the love of god, when will we progressives stop aiming our figurative fire at each other, and focus on the real enemies of everything we love and cherish about our country?
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:04 PM
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21. well, isn't that the point? We should stop
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 03:05 PM by bbgrunt
sabotaging our own. AAR is NOT the mouth of the democratic party. It is a liberal and progressive outlet. Randi is a liberal. Randi is not connected to anyone's campaign. The minute you chastise her and apologize and say Randi was out of line (at a private, stand-up comedy routine) you are sabotaging liberal voices.....just like Hillary condemns John Kerry because he has a slip of the tongue while telling a joke. pot meet kettle.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:11 PM
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22. I'm sabotaging liberal voices because I condemn calling a presidential candidate a f-ing whore?
My god, what has become of us?
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:54 PM
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24. how many conservatives do you hear condeming
or apologizing for Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, Coulter, etc? Letting right wing forces dictate what we discuss is falling for their distractions. You don't have to like what she said at a PRIVATE VENUE at a COMEDY CLUB, but you don't have to fall all over yourself being outraged about it either. Save that outrage for policies that kill millions and encourage social darwinism.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:38 PM
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29. Silly me; holding progressives to higher standards than Limbaugh, Coulter etc.
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Gore Edwards Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:25 AM
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41. changing standarnds
You seem to be new here. To belong you must become lower than either of the people you mentioned. You obviously never got the memo.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:30 PM
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31. Actually, Mr. McCain chastized a Cincinnati RW talker
and, I have to say... I think it was the right thing for him to do.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:25 PM
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36. ...and for that matter, how about Cheney's comments to Sen. Leahy on the Senate floor ---
"go f--- yourself!" . . .

How many right-wingers got upset with that ---
they didn't ---
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:27 PM
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30. Randi had become woefully inadequate at addressing McCain or the GOP.
She was always bashing Clinton, and drooling over Obama.

That is why she lost me as a listener.

Not all progressive talkers have fallen into the trap she did, BTW. I tend to prefer the ones who support both or either of our candidates.... and stay on task.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:28 PM
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37. That's not true . . . Clinton supporters are hyper-sensitive, but Randi was supporting
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 09:30 PM by defendandprotect
both candidates ---

Unfortunately for Hillary she was also telling the truth about both candidates ---
and money and connections ---
some of those connections were to Burson Marsteller -- not good.
And Randi was talking about it!!!

THEN, AFTER Hillary's Big Bosnia lie adventure, Randi went with Obama ---
I'm with her on that because this wasn't "misspeaking" --- this was full blown delusion ---
and/or outright telling lies to win.

More recently she's telling her gun-toting tales --- and I'll give her the benefit of the doubt ...
but loved Obama's comment that HRC is now "Annie Oakley" ---!!!

PLUS . . . right now, we're all a week behind with all that recently went on re AAR ---



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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:08 PM
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15. no radio talk show host is perfect
Randi is rude to callers, loves the sound of her voice, and annoys the hell out of me. There are days when I tune in, and days -- even weeks -- when I need to stay away from her. But I love her anyway because she feels real.
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:37 PM
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16. I agree
You say what I feel about Randi. A dose of Randi goes a long time, although I agree with her 100% of the time. She does have an annoying way of speaking. I like her when she is not trying to put it on. Perhaps she is trying to be like the first lady dean of radio talk shows, Lynn Samuels, my all time favorite, who is also from Brooklyn with that inimicable Brooklyn way of speaking.
A word about HC's apparent tactics: She appears to be aiding John McCain, giving him plenty of fodder against Obama should he inevitably win the Democratic nomination. She may be hoping that John McCain wins in November, then she will have another chance in '12. Even if that doesn't happen then she seems intent on destroying the Obama candidacy, no matter what. She is becoming what Barbara Bush I called Geraldine Ferraro, something that rhymes with witch.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:42 PM
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20. Great post, well-thought-out points, whether the madding crowd thinks so...
... or not.

Never, no never has there been such a need for a voice crying in the wilderness, awakening the people before it is too late. Thanks for your efforts.

I greatly fear the Dems are going to stumble on with their feeling of the inevitability of a Dem in the White House, after these long years of the Bush faux presidency, and simply let internal rivalry bring us down one more time.

Our grandchildren may -- if the country survives as a democratic republic -- be voting for candidates from a political party not yet born. Unless the Democrats do an abrupt about face, the progressive electorate is going to grow more and more disenchanted with them. My ear is attuned and eagerly waiting for the political "shot heard 'round the world," in which America throws off corporate tyranny and actually has free elections. For now, I fear we are stuck in the Slough of Despond.

Hope springs, though. Can't give up hope.

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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:17 PM
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25. Love Randi's soliloquies--she puts things together very well--hate the way she treats
her callers.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:22 PM
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35. Yeah . . . for awhile she was having a bit of trouble with that . . .
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 09:23 PM by defendandprotect
but if we look back in time a bit, I think she had a few personal things going on and
probably this change in management wasn't going well . . .

No one can deal with politics on this level every day --- and not have the anger carry over sometimes to innocent people. I think a few people have pointed this out to her.

Wishing Randi well --- and tuning in every day!!

Meanwhile, she sure absorbs a lot of info and she sure can connect the dots --- !!!




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bow-tie Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:30 PM
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32. Did anyone else hear
the Thom Hartman show this morning?
A self-proclaimed republican called in to beat up on Thom and said he heard that "even Randi Rhodes" left "AirAmerica" apparently thinking she went over to the dark side. HA
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:19 PM
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34. I also miss Randi being on AAR --- I listened via internet today for more than an hour . . .
but then had to hike off in my car --- no Randi!!!

Hopefully some local station will pick up the NovaM broadcasts ...

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