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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 05:15 PM Original message |
Analysis: Universities Overproduce Ph.Ds |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hiring a tenure-track faculty member is a huge financial outlay. Universities are "saving" by |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. But college costs an arm and a leg. Where is the money going? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. Buildings and Big Salaries for Administrators |
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ladym55 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
29. Money goes lots of places |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Administrative bloat is a huge rat hole for educational funds |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #31 |
48. I second that. I work at a community college, and we have all these Vice Presidents of this and that |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. Community colleges are especially bad about bloat. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #48 |
60. One place I worked at as an adjunct hired me to work part-time during the |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
34. Health benefits are the killer in college/university costs. Benefits |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I am a college student |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Agree 100%. Oh for the day when society will value intelligence as much as sports! n/t |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
37. Go look at the athletic budget at most major schools |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. No--only in a very few schools |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. The rise of cable/satellite TV and the countless channels |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. I wouldn't say that there is an overproduction of PhDs |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
32. People hang on in part-time academic jobs for the same reason that |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
42. Big name profs want to teach grad students |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. Not in all fields. I have no idea why anyone would pursue a Doctorate in fields for which there is |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. your link does not work. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. It does for me. It's to "The Top American Research Universities, 2006 Annual Report" by |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. It works now |
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malakai2 (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Unrealistic expectations and a fake market |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Your comments after "Also not fair" are absolutely correct. Every HS and college counselor I've met |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. that is a good analysis |
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GOPBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. Wow, you just described my life. I have a B.S. in Physics, |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. I have great admiration for people who are knowledgeable in the sciences, |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
43. Bingo. In my field (biology) I can't even get an interview without a MS |
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malakai2 (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. An MS doesn't make things much better |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Well I was hoping for a federal job |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #16 |
49. Another idea our culture instills is that a college degree guarantees you a good, high-paying job. |
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lurky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
10. You should know your market. |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. they say go into something that you are interested in. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. "something that you are interested in" may qualify you for a FCFS spot in the unemployed line. n/t |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. The UNC system is really pushing for sciences and math. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Please see my msg to you. Math/science are wonderful choices. You probably won't become a |
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lurky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. It's a higher risk, unless what interests you is accounting. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I don't disagree but IMO those who follow their dreams rarely dream of wealth. n/t |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. True. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. That's freedom for ya. |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #13 |
52. "FCFS?" Please elucidate. nt |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. FCFS = First Come, First Served n/t |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
51. True, but markets can change. Once it was SO easy to get a job in IT. nt |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
12. The number of doctorates in the U.S. have increased tremendously over the past five decades. |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I did not know that they had a doctor in Business Adminstration. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Yes, see Harvard D.B.A. link below. Problem is some DBAs are not very respectable as well as |
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lurky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. The number of for-profit degree mills has increased too, |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. And every dean I know laughs about applicants with such credentials. n/t |
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lurky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I don't doubt it! |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Agree, degrees that have little value in the market place and some/many/most holders don't |
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nealmhughes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #21 |
59. Let us call it "Albequerque U." and leave it at that! |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
27. Not everyone gets a degree so they can get a job. nt |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. these days that's a good thing |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Knowledge is good. If you get a degree in order to get work, |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
28. overproduction of PhDs? |
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Lisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
41. I almost forwarded this to some of my grad school buddies ... |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. you use way too many commas |
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Lisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. hey -- I have to increase the length of my publications somehow! (n/t) |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
46. they over-produce college degrees, period |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. I just got out of high school. |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
54. In my field, a PhD is a negative |
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