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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:54 AM
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Vagueness in Obama’s Message
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 07:38 AM by cyclezealot
Those here are so super sensitive. Criticism can be productive. ? / Here is a critique of the US Democratic presidential race, I have been searching for. I hope these criticisms improve their campaigns. I just find the phrase agent of change hokey. I am sick of it. I require a candidate of substance. Even though, we will be behind them come November, We are sick of 'agent of change.' and all the big three mimic this crap. Are Americans so taken by meaningless logos? We will stay with our candidate of substance. Kucinich. If not for Kucinich, all we'd hear is change, change, change. Enough already.
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by Bill Boyarsky.

Hopefully, the results of the New Hampshire primary will eliminate Barack Obama’s use of the vague and misleading words hope and change in his presidential campaign.

With early contests finished in two small states with disproportionate influence—New Hampshire and Iowa—we move into bigger states more typical of the rest of the country. But even if the two small states are untypical, lessons can be drawn from them, particularly from New Hampshire.

The most important to the Democrats is to avoid a campaign like Obama’s, built on his soaring words of hope and change.

I’ve been put off by those words, which became the centerpiece of Obama’s campaign. Maybe I am too cynical or too old or too disillusioned from being burned by past failed crusades. But words and elevated oratory are not enough for me. Nor were they enough for New Hampshire Democrats.

They wanted substance. Although the unemployment rate is not especially high in New Hampshire, too many jobs are in low-pay retail and service and have small or no health insurance benefits. A union leader in Concord, N.H., told me that many of the state’s residents have to work two or three jobs. Sen. Hillary Clinton, ridiculed by her many critics for policy-heavy speeches and question-and-answer sessions, was in sync with voters facing an uncertain economic future.


http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080111_hoping_for_change/




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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:56 AM
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1. Osama????WTF? Are you Faux?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:01 AM
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4. And the link
doesn't go to the attack on Senator Obama that is quoted. Why do people do shit like that?
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:11 AM
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6. Not sure what happened.
When I posted the link , DU warned me of something like , 'they could not read my cookies.' I hope I have corrected the problem . Technical problem there. Sorry.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:58 AM
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2. Gross
Why does your heading read "Vagueness in Osama's Message" and then discuss Senator Obama? What message do you think you are communicating?
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IADEMO2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:59 AM
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3. quick edit title
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:12 AM
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7. Hope I corrected the problem.
The title mentioned is exactly as given by Boynasky.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:13 AM
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8. No, it's not. It's OBAMA. And it's BOYARSKY.
Sheesh.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:05 AM
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5. One area I'll go with you on is Gooliani's never ending 9-11 hype...talk to him.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:19 AM
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9. Must say I think Boyarsky is right.
One of the reasons I no longer am interested in listening to the debates. They are the same old battle of logos. Same old phrases. And I find all the big three Dem. candidates guilty. We have to endure this crap until November. The only logos worse than the Big Three Dems. Those of the Repukes.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:24 AM
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10. Good morning
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 07:56 AM by TheBorealAvenger
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:39 AM
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11. Thought this was a cut and paste job.
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 07:41 AM by cyclezealot
I don't know how that happened. I did not mean it that way. Somehow a typo I guess. My regrets. I understand the offense. I would be offended too, had it not been a typo.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:03 AM
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12. you know what i think....


I think Obama intended to use the hope and change bandwagon message to win the nomination by NH, hoping he didnt have to discuss substance because thats where the tricky part begins.

Seriously what does he go onto now because some friends and I were discussing this last night, the change thing is grating on a lot of people now, its anoying them, he has to beef it up now or he'll be marked as a one trick pony spouting nothing but cheap rhetoric.



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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:50 PM
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14. A fear is Politicians like logos and generalizations
Its when they have to commit to specifics. It gets one into trouble. Logo's sell soap. Why not politicians. For those of us who are attracted to policy wonks and proud of the fact, we have real problems.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:40 AM
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13. It is a strong article with some sound advice and an important look at RFK.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:52 PM
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15. Good read. thanks for posting.
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