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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:50 PM
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Kucinich stepping into trap with recount?
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 07:51 PM by antiimperialist
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1/10/08

The election integrity community is abuzz with news that candidate Dennis Kucinich will ask for a recount in New Hampshire, and Ron Paul fans have been pushing him to recount as well. Careful.

NEW HAMPSHIRE ELECTION INTEGRITY ADVOCATE NANCY TOBI IS CORRECT:

"We have no control over the ballot chain of custody and we have learned the pain from the 2004 Nader recount, in which only 11 districts were counted, chosen by a highly questionable person, and then nothing showed up. Now all we hear is how the Nader recount validated the machines."

As Tobi says, "A candidate asking for a recount may well be a tool used to 'prove' everything was okay and then that candidate will be further discredited."

I'll go further than that. The only way a recount makes any sense at all in New Hampshire is AFTER an assessment is made of the chain of custody issues. If the chain of custody isn't intact the recount won't be worth a cup of warm spit.

TOBI:

"This is high stakes.

"You do not walk into a battle ground not knowing where the snipers are, just because you were invited. Strategically, going into something like this where you have NO CONTROL is foolishness.

"And I say this as one of the strongest recount proponents of former times. Things I have come to learn and understand have changed my mind. The recount is someone else's game, not ours.

"In the recount, we have no control, and we have already lost 48 long hours of ballot chain of custody oversight.

"We need citizen control and oversight. This is not going to come from the recount. If the election was rigged...don't you think the riggers would have a backup Plan B for a rigged recount, knowing how easy it is to get a recount in NH?

No. It is time to take control. "
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:53 PM
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1. a recount is not a tool to be used once and then tossed
or like impeachment "was tried before and failed" these are tools in order to insure our democracy prevails, we should recount as many times as we feel like it.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:54 PM
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2. that's why all counting is done at the precinct & results posted BEFORE going to central counting nt
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:06 PM
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3. Sometimes the best thing to do with a trap
is to spring it and see what was planned!

Go Dennis! :woohoo:
http://dennis4president.com
Vote your conscience, choose peace!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 09:03 PM
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4. Nancy Tobi is as useful to the clean elections effort as - fill in the blank. There is no evidence
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 09:04 PM by papau
but when nationwide audits are the main thing needed, Nancy wants to side track into side issues more appropriate to a criminal trail.

Indeed into issues that no state will allow the Federal Government to touch. Good Grief - Bev is good at what she does.
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