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CrisisPapers Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 10:03 AM
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Impeachment: Winning by Losing
| Ernest Partridge |

Why not impeach Bush and Cheney and remove them from office?

Among those who devoutly wish that these two be separated from their offices, the most prominent reason for resisting impeachment is that even if a bill of impeachment were voted in the House of Representatives, conviction and removal from office by the Senate will almost certainly fail. So why begin an endeavor that is doomed at the start to fail? So argue such worthy observers as Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Randi Rhodes and John Dean.

These skeptics would have a point if Senate conviction and removal from office were the sole objective and consequence of impeachment, as the Republican regulars and their compliant enablers in the mainstream media would have us believe. Once again, by assuming that removal from office is the be-all and end-all of impeachment, the Democrats and many of their progressive supporters and commentators have carelessly consented to play the GOP game by the GOP rules. They have, as George Lakoff might put it, thoughtlessly adopted their opponents' "framing" of the impeachment issue. They have, to put it bluntly, been suckered again, as they have all too many times in the past. When will they ever learn?

These Democrats, et al, seem to pay little attention to the potential benefits of an unsuccessful impeachment. These benefits include the uncovering and publicizing of the Bushevik crimes and the consequent educating of the public. This would, in turn, lead to the discrediting of the mainstream media and the devastation of the Republican Party, resulting in a Democratic landslide in the next election. In short, a loss in the Senate trial might be far outweighed by the benefits of the investigations leading up to a House bill of impeachment and the subsequent debate in the Senate trial. A "win" via a loss.

The Republican stalkers of Bill Clinton were well aware that the process of impeachment might well be more significant than the outcome of conviction and removal. After all, the Clinton impeachment was launched with a full expectation that the effort would fail in the Senate. But even so, the House Republicans anticipated that there would be sufficient mischief to be gained by proceeding with a bill of impeachment that they went ahead anyway. What they did not anticipate was that the public at large would be more put-off by the GOP's partisan shenanigans than by "Slick Willie's" unrestrained libido.

The Democrats must stop fretting about a likely failure in the Senate and put their eyes on the prize of the results of Congressional investigation, of testimony under oath, and of the unavoidable publicity that would result therefrom. Once the worm-can of Bushevik crimes and treason is opened, those worms will never be re-canned. And who knows, once the high crimes and misdemeanors are exposed to the sunlight of open and public Congressional hearings and debate, the "impossible" Senate conviction just might turn out to be quite possible. After all, all that is required is the defection of seventeen GOP senators. And bear in mind that twenty-two Republican Senators are up for re-election in 2008. They might find themselves very hard-pressed in their re-election campaigns to justify a vote for acquittal.

Today about half of the public approves of impeachment provided they are convinced that Bush and Cheney lied to get us into war - which, in fact, they did. Most of the "stubborn third" that still approves of Bush, along with those undecided and indifferent (thanks, in part, to the mainstream media), are simply not informed of the facts. Once impeachment is set in motion, the facts will "out."

So let the facts come out in Congressional hearings and debates - e.g., the illegal wire-taps, the Downing Street memos, the lies that led to war (Saddam's alleged WMDs, the non-existent African uranium shipments, Saddam's alleged ties to al Qaeda) , the violations of Constitutionally guaranteed rights, violation of oaths of office (failure to "protect and defend the Constitution of the US"), the Plame affair, etc. Then approval of Bush will likely fall below 20%, with an irresistible momentum in public opinion to throw the rascals out.

As a consequence:

1. If impeachment is put back "on the table" and the House acts, first come the investigations, the testimony under oath, the arguments in the House (and on CSPAN at least, and the mainstream media, however muted). The "worm-can" will be opened.

2. The mainstream media will be forced to report these hearings. Those that do not (e.g., FOX), will lose audience and revenue. If (as is likely) these events are under-reported and distorted, the failure and partisanship of the mainstream media, past and present, will be exposed. The commercial media will then face a difficult dilemma: resume responsible journalism or go broke. In the Soviet Union, the prospect of financial loss was not a problem, since the party media - Pravda, Izvestia and Gostelradio - were not required to make a profit. Even so, their lies and distortion eventually destroyed their credibility, as discerning Russians turned to foreign sources of news and the unauthorized, underground media, "Samizdat."

3. GOP opposition to impeachment in the House and to conviction in Senate will prove to be costly. Those in Congress who vote against impeachment and conviction may lose their seats. The defection of seventeen GOP Senators may no longer be unthinkable, once the evidence comes out and is publicized. Remember that Nixon's impeachment and conviction were first believed to be impossible. Then, as the truth came out, they became probable and eventually inevitable, as the Republican Members of Congress and Senators defected. Facing certain impeachment and conviction, Nixon resigned.

4. Once that worm can is opened, still other unresolved and explosive issues will be re-opened. Among them, the Anthrax attack of 2001 and (at long last) election fraud in the past four national elections. (Cf. my "The Bombs in the Basement.")

5. Finally, once Bush and Cheney are ensnared in a struggle to avoid impeachment, conviction and removal, the Bushevik assault on the Constitution and our rights, and the neo-con's dreams of empire, will thankfully be stalled.

Accordingly, chances are that a resolution of impeachment in the House will be a triumph for liberalism and reform, and a disaster for the regressives and the GOP, despite, or even because of, failure to convict in the Senate.

Summing up: "You'll never win in the Senate" is precisely the argument upon which the Busheviks want the Democrats and the public to focus. If the Busheviks succeed with this misdirection, they will win: there will be no impeachment. To date, Pelosi and Reid have fallen into the trap, as has much of the progressive commentariat.

Time now to step out of the frame imposed by the GOP and the media. Loss of the impeachment trial in the Senate is of lesser importance. Investigation, testimony and disclosure of the "high crimes and misdemeanors" is the greater prize.

And the sooner, the better!

-- EP
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 10:15 AM
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1. K&R
:patriot:

NGU.


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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 10:27 AM
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2. Extremely well put
Welcome aboard.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 10:32 AM
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3. I want that 'worm-can' opened! K&R! nt
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 10:38 AM
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4. Bush is so concerned with his 'legacy' being revived he would try and avoid an
impeachment at all costs. The threat of it, even an unsuccessful one wpuld prompt him to jettison a whole bunch of people in his administration to try and ensure he wouldn't be impeached, including Cheney, Abu Torquemada Gonzales, and yes, even Rove. Poppy Bush is so worried about Jr.'s being picked on that he might just pull some strings behind the scenes too. I think you are on to something, even unsuccessful impeachment proceedings would throw a monkey wrench into the Monkey in Chief's works. While impeachment moved through the process, wouldn't his hands be tied on almost anything he tried to do? I like what you've outlined here.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 10:39 AM
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5. Oh, and K and R
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 11:00 AM
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6. I have alway thought that the process of impeachment was far more important than
the removal of bush and cheney.

It would demonstrate and set the example that the rule of law is actually a concern in the Democratic Party.

It would silence the charge that the Dems are whimps, more dedicated to protecting their own turf than in promoting good government.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:28 PM
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27. Importance of the Process
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 01:05 PM
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7. Excellent piece!
Several very basic points that I think too many people have missed.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 02:05 PM
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8. K&R
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 02:49 PM
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9. Good perspective, Partridge.
K&R!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 03:30 PM
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10. There's so much damn Corruption in Our Congress, that essentially
both sides are smarmy scum sucking corporate toadies. Only that, our Democrats tend to SAY the right things before they fold like cheap suites for Large Corporate Interests, AIPAC directives, and/or The Executive Branch's whims and fancies of the moment. :grr: :nuke:

They won't Impeach because they *almost all* are part of the corrupt cronyism that is Our Congress today: Both Houses. :grr:

I say, vote the bums out: DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN are corrupt ... vote out *almost all* of them!!!

http://voidnow.org
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 05:11 PM
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12. There is definitely some truth to what you say here however
the "vote them all out" strategy will never work with our current system of government which has evolved into a two-party system. We first need things like instant runoff elections before alternative parties can play a significant role.

A much better approach is the one proposed by Thom Hartmann, where progressives systematically overtake the Democratic Party, (just as religious right theocrats seized significant control of the Republican Party) and then began implementing political reforms (like instant runoff elections, proportional representation, public financing of elections etc.)

But for any of that to happen, progressives are going to have to wake up to the fact that the media is under the control of the establishment right now. Until we develop our own media, (the way the far right has done with great success,) and reform the mainstream media, I don't think any lasting progress can occur.





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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 06:04 PM
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14. Excellent Points AJ9000. We should work together toward such goals.
I guess that I'm so frustrated that I want to personally do something productive.

Your comments above are more thoughtful and can be formulated into a viable plan.

Thanks, we may all have to work on these goals in a thoughtful manner toward JUSTICE. :-) :hi:
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 04:09 PM
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11. K & R - Exactly!
Now this is the New Direction we look forward to.

Thanks!

And how about sending this crystal clear strategy to the Dem strategists right now so this New Direction forward doesn't remain "hidden" (from them) on DU?

Call. Write. Apply just the correct amount of pressure where it will get noticed enough for them to NOT ignore it...

Let's All Restore Justice ASAP.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 05:18 PM
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13. Support our Troops. Restore America. Impeach Bush/Cheney
:patriot:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 09:57 PM
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15. and it would be a hell of a lot harder for MSM to ignore impeachment proceedings than the same
issues in some committee investigation.

If they tried to give impeachment the shut out treatment, it would show their true colors.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 11:49 PM
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16. Excellent post, highly recommend
I agree with everything you said. One of my reasons for believing strongly in impeachment, is that if we don't at least try, after all of the egregious abuses of power committed by Bush and Cheney, what WILL it take for a president to do to warrant impeachment?

The lies leading up to the war, the torture, the signing statements, the fired U.S. attorney scandals, the massive tax cuts for the wealthy in a time of war, the no-bid contracts to Halliburton...if being guilty of all of those things isn't justification enough for us to begin impeachment proceedings, then nothing short the murder of a child on live T.V. will ever be enough to impeach a president. Even then, Fox would attempt to spin it as justified.

As you say, the investigations will bring attention to focus on this administration's many crimes, and should cause the public to be in favor of getting Bush and Cheney out of office. Thank you for stating the reasons so eloquently.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:12 AM
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17. Great Job
I couldn't have put it all any better.

Kudos!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:21 AM
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18. One of the best I've read in a while -- kr!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:59 AM
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19. I fully agree. (nt)
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:56 AM
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20. K & R n/t
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 09:48 AM
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21. Amen. The sooner the better.
As we look back over the carnage that is this administration's record, let us not forget that it can get worse. Don't think that the little emperor, in an attempt to serve God, Sharon, and secure his place in history, will not attack Iran. Congress has abdicated on their responsibility to stop his abuses of power. We must demand that he be impeached before he further harms our country.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:00 AM
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22. Amen!
Nancy, Harry, are you listening?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 01:02 PM
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23. It's all fruit,
if you can't impeach and convict them, then at least impear.... impare them and make the good fight.

P.S. If the case for impeachment can't be made with this crowd, then what's the point of having impeachment in the Constitution?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 10:08 AM
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24. Bravo. Until Democracy and the Constitution are restored all other legislation
is moot to be easily undone when the tyrants resurge
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CRH Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 11:09 AM
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25. Kick it to the top again! ...

Until enough people realize impeachment is equally about making the media cover the crimes of this administration. As long as the general public is allowed to remain uninformed, the lasting lies of the march to war remain an obstacle to reason. This is also true of the total debasement of every department and branch of this government, foreign and domestic. We accuse the other side of covering up, then allow them to frame the acceptable response.

Give the American people a good unfiltered glimpse of what their government has become, force it into their attention with the same saturation of Nicole Smith, and I'll wager they will respond in preservation of common decency.

This is an opportunity to add balance to the political scales, to forgo this opportunity is to enable, more of the same mis administration.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 12:38 PM
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26. Absolutely brilliant.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:52 PM
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28. another reason: put historic stink on both of them like Andrew Johnson & Nixon
people still know what Nixon's sins were but know nothing about Andrew Johnson except he was impeached.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:56 PM
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29. another reason: harder for right wing spin machine to rehabilitate administration
like they did Reagan.

Reagan had so-so approval ratings when he left office, and the Iran-Contra business occurred on his watch.

The right was still able to spin him as a great president on the order of FDR.

They will attempt a similar rehab of Bush/Cheney almost the second they leave office, and try to overwhelm the historical record with fawning adoration.
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CRH Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:27 PM
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30. Kick it to the top again! ...

because I don't want to see what the next republican administration will try, if they are not made to pay for the corruption and failure of this one.

If allowed the foundation of this unitary presidency of constitutional abuse and destruction of the balances of power, can you imagine the claims of executive imperial privilege of the next want a be tyrant? When and where do you draw the line if what has occurred this past six years, is accepted as a political strategy and norm?

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