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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 03:11 PM
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Guardian Editorial: "Darkly Worried About America"
Edward Pearce

Upping the anti

The charge of anti-Americanism against critics of the Bush administration glosses over the real menace of US military power recklessly wielded.

February 1, 2007 05:30 PM


The charge of anti-Americanism made by new right British journalists against critics of the Bush government is in itself a nonsense, not more grown-up than the charge of anti-semitism thrown at people opposed to the Israeli government bombing Lebanese hill villages and the people in them. But, indeed, people here, and in continental Europe, are coming to candidly dislike America.

<snip>

Distaste for the United States is directed not only at what its politicians and military do, but, in part, at what the American state and society have become.

That nation is, for a start, absurdly militarised. It is a fearful thought that the US should hold nine times the total nuclear weapons reserve of all the other nuclear powers combined. Clearly, General Eisenhower's remarking, in his 1961 farewell address, of "a military-industrial complex" was the plain truth, and the truth has deepened across 46 years.

<snip>

Things military conflate with another American quality: patriotism. The United States is far too patriotic for the ultimate good of the rest of us. They salute a flag; they talk about themselves all the time. What the people of Europe have grown out of, they clutch at. Worse, they speak reverentially of "Our President", a leader and an embodiment of the people, something extremely harmful to a mere butter-and-egg politician and, in a fool, potentially calamitous. And on the committees of rich men who choose, at any rate, Republican candidates, fools have lately been very well-regarded.

<snip>

So, fools have been on a great spree, but American society, so patriotic, so fundamentally deferential to money and power talking patriotism, is not shaped to stop them. For American life contains another poison - nicely cultivated fear: "the Russians are coming", "the Present Danger". There are reactions and pendulum swings, of course. Remember how anarchic and disrespectful the US seemed at the time of Vietnam and we will shortly enjoy another interlude of sense. But drum and trumpet and "Present Danger", which gave Vietnam its successor, will be at hand.

The real world out there is, in fact, dangerous, but a country so self-preoccupied that, on the last figure I heard, only about 12% of citizens held passports, is ill-equipped to understand the complexity of those dangers or to be tolerant of the dull incremental process of diminishing them. "Anti-American" we are not; but darkly worried about America we certainly should be.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/edward_pearce/2007/02/post_1042.html
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 03:14 PM
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1. we are all alone look at what this sick regime has done to us
are we going to stop this or them?
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BlueStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 03:17 PM
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2. I will tell you, I am not proud to be an American...
The way that our leaders are,no I can't say that I am proud. Bush has wrecked our image so bad that the world is looking upon us with disgust. Thanks Bush.

Blue
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 03:58 PM
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4. Unfortunately, it's not just the leaders.
Edited on Thu Feb-01-07 04:00 PM by cui bono
Where/who are the people?

You've got to really read it. He's not talking about just the leaders of this country.



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architect359 Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 04:29 PM
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5. Quite right
It's not just the leaders - the citizenry, a good portion anyway, do share the blame. Through wilful participation, purposeful ignorance, or disregard, has allowed for the slow, steady erosion of our liberties and principles.
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BlueStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 11:44 PM
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13. Agreed...
I guess that is what makes me so embarrassed. That the world looks at that portion and generalizes all of the population as having that attitude.

Blue
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 03:20 PM
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3. Kicked and recommended. This is a must read.
:kick:
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 04:30 PM
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6. However the United Kingdom (Blair) seems to be Bush's ally.
Are our cousins in the United Kingdom enabling the Bush junta even though the populations of both the United States and Great Britain largely disapproves of American policies? If I seem to remember correctly Great Britain regularly intercepted Soviet aircraft during the cold war, we were not alone in our paranoia. I'm sure those Soviet aircraft were just testing British radar. Wasn't there (granted 1/2 American) Prime Minister who coined the term Iron Curtain? The cold war was scary. There should be legitimate concern everywhere with the current policies of the United States BFEE, however, please take responsibility for your part and tell us dirty Yanks to go to hell (we need company and it would be the good allied thing to do).
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 04:47 PM
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8. I heard on Thom Hartmann today that British intelligence
is putting together evidence against Iran per a Guardian article. I haven't been able to find that article though, don't know why.

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 06:08 PM
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10. I can't find that either, and it runs counter to an article in The Times today
Britain plays down claims of Tehran role

Senior British officials, citing mistakes over Saddam Hussein’s alleged weapons of mass destruction, are voicing scepticism about US efforts to build an intelligence-based case against Iran.

Sources in London and Washington suggest that the British Government has been “badly scarred” by its Iraq intelligence dossiers. Amid signs of a concerted American operation to prove that Iran is threatening US troops in the region, British officials say that they are “not aware of a smoking gun” that would justify taking military action against Tehran.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,173-2577510,00.html
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 06:17 PM
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11. Maybe I misunderstood, thanks for the link. =) nt
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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 04:41 PM
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7. For confirmation of the dark vision here
read the comments by US posters that follow it... Denial is a mild word to describe them.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 05:37 PM
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9. Can't argue too with much with this response. However Britain's population
Edited on Thu Feb-01-07 05:39 PM by Dover
who has always seemed vigilant about their rights, has seemingly embraced so many "Big Brother" policies and technologies into their main diet with little apparent resistance, that I wonder if they aren't in even more danger than the U.S. as regards the erosion of their rights and privacy, or real control of their government & foreign policy interests. I am 'darkly worried' about that issue for them AND for us. And they have already lived their expansionist, imperialistic wet dreams with varying degrees of success. We, the youngest nation on the planet -stupid teenyboppers - full of ourselves and slow to mature. But we ARE sobering up and undergoing an identity crisis which is forcing us to view ourselves in relationship to the world. Unfortunately for the planet, we have seriously dangerous and destructive toys by which we measure ourselves and define our "power", along with a deep insecurity about ourselves. Bad combo and Bush is the perfect reflection of these shortcomings.
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 03:42 AM
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14. I agree with you especially after seeing this
documentary http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qo0a23YDXLM (great doc showing that both of our nations UK and US have been sold a lot of BS in the name of national security)

Suspect Nation

Since Tony Blair's New Labour government came to power in 1997, the UK civil liberties landscape has changed dramatically. The right to remain silent is no longer universal. Our right to privacy, free from interception of communications has been severely curtailed. The ability to travel without surveillance (or those details of our journeys being retained) has disappeared.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 06:45 PM
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12. Anyone in the world who isn't afraid of Bush Amerika isn't paying attention
For the world, and especially after we or Israel attack Iran, it is 1938 all over again.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 08:31 AM
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15. Downing the feckless
Edited on Fri Feb-02-07 08:37 AM by NV1962
I'm a European. Perhaps that's why I'm somewhat more touched by the flamboyant logorrhea of this latest pedantic outburst of a somewhat illiterate nitwit proclaiming doom and disaster looming, from hither side of the Atlantic, over yonder apparently not-so patriotic effete representatives of British, well, whatever risible company Mr. Pearce wishes to hang out in.

I can't quibble with his first paragraph. The second and third are a marvelous run-up to a breathtaking train wreck, far too glorious to scorn it with that unfortunate snip:

That dislike co-exists with a wide affection, among those who have travelled in that country, for so many Americans. The ones we met were kind, friendly, civil, good to know, yet they are the subjects of so much power held in such dreadful hands and seem most of the time so submissive to it. They recall Orwell's definition of England in the thirties as "a family with the wrong members in control". But his charge against the Baldwin people was weakness; anxiety at the American elite concerns an over-blown strength. Distaste for the United States is directed not only at what its politicians and military do, but, in part, at what the American state and society have become.

That nation is, for a start, absurdly militarised. It is a fearful thought that the US should hold nine times the total nuclear weapons reserve of all the other nuclear powers combined. Clearly, General Eisenhower's remarking, in his 1961 farewell address, of "a military-industrial complex" was the plain truth, and the truth has deepened across 46 years.


I could cut it short with a brief reminder of that wrong member in control in Downing Street, who -- currently amidst a rather amusing little scandal over old-fashioned corruption in the way of party donations received in exchange for peerage, speaking of twisting some more contradictory facts into this third millennium of advanced societies -- now looks back on no less than ten years, unmoved and unmovable in spite of his colossal responsibility in enabling precisely that which this poor, poor Pearce person finds so objectionable, namely waging a dangerous and utterly unnecessary war. I believe that wrong family member is to step down on his own terms, somewhere in June or so; I'll refrain from expounding on my connotations of a general-turned-dictator in some Southern European country, who also left the grand stage of mortality on his own terms, leaving the mess for his survivors to clear over the past thirty years. But I digress: the topic isn't war criminals tolerated by a feckless electorate too much caught up in self-inflicted excuses of "but if we don't vote for him... the nasty Tories will have won!"

I won't digress even further by referring, for example, to the abominable role played by European governments, perhaps just as much infected with that outbreak of lack of principle and integrity, to not see evil, not hear evil, and not speak evil of the "extraordinary renditions" that right under their noses was breaking a host of international conventions and a bunch of national laws to boot. Until, of course, the scandal couldn't be denied anymore, and a weak European Parliamentary commission did the honors of exposing the shameless, gutless and dishonorable deeds of European governments, of which that wrong family member closer to poor, poor Mr. Pearce's home was an extraordinarily instrumental specimen for setting up that underground railroad of foreign spooks running schmucks out of daylight, and into the dungeons of states that didn't mind torturing a few poor souls extra on the side. What's a little brutishness among civilized friends, n'est-ce pas?

And I won't even less so distract with the wholesale murder of truth perpetrated in that very same benighted country, sighing under the whims of that reprehensible excuse for a member of the family of social democrats, to sell a war in lies so sleek and bold, that novelists undoubtedly will struggle for years ahead trying to surpass the new high mark of fiction.

But what really annoys the snot out of me is that that moron Pearce didn't even pause to read back what he had just typed away in that smashing third paragraph of his. Either he's too illiterate to read the cleaned-up version handed back to him by the spell checker, or he's just as much in adoration of Tony "Big" Blur's swanky ways, to see through the holes in his conscience.

That nation is, for a start, absurdly militarised. It is a fearful thought that the US should hold nine times the total nuclear weapons reserve of all the other nuclear powers combined. Clearly, General Eisenhower's remarking, in his 1961 farewell address, of "a military-industrial complex" was the plain truth, and the truth has deepened across 46 years.


An idiot who can't distinguish a well-armed country from a militarized one (let alone spell "militarized" properly) should be brought before a Siberian tribunal and summarily shot.

Admittedly, his train wreck is tantalizingly well twisted. For example, he overlooked the twofer in that same bit: at the very moment that General Eisenhower pronounced his farewell address, the build-up of the US' nuclear arsenal was peaking. Today, we can sigh with relief that it's considerably shrunk. Yes, there was that other place on the other side of the Atlantic, some absurdly militarized superpower armed to the teeth with nuclear doomsday devices, but who's counting when there's a great exercise in hypocrisy in the making?

You know what, I'll leave it at that. Fewer things irritate me more than insignificant and hollow whines of a scoundrel denouncing barbaric foreign ways, while living at the expense of an opportunity to prove more useful in cleaning up his own pigsty. But darkly worried about the state of British presumptive fellow travelers on the path to progression we certainly should be.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 02:01 PM
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16. I don't know what your obsession with "illiteracy" is, since you've shown none in it
and I don't think you've read Pearce's piece at all well for meaning either.

He's not defending Blair; he's answering the charge by Nick Cohen that various people on the British left have been against invading Iraq purely because it's the Americans who were leading it. So his article is about the USA. He covered his contempt for Blair a couple of weeks ago.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 03:01 PM
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17. There's an essential difference
Edited on Fri Feb-02-07 03:56 PM by NV1962
between criticizing the inherent ingenuousness of large swaths of the American electorate, unwilling to assume the possibility that their President is a deceitful, dull and zealous incompetent, and resorting to equally blasé and sterile stereotypes that not only miss his presumptive point entirely, but are a tragic showcase for the trans-Atlantic disconnect that is wreaking havoc, not to mention a sad reminder of that biblical expression about casting out the splinter from thine eye.

I suspect that this Pearce person essentially can't distinguish the fantastic pictures in his head from reality, in which case he should rather pursue an education to alleviate his condition instead of foisting the inevitably subsequent delusions on the generally well-educated readership of The Guardian. He would do well by acquainting himself with a dictionary, for example by looking up "prejudice".

Not in the least because that stubbornly ignoramus bigot is factually and politically illiterate enough to confuse Cohen's equally incoherent rants concerning "the Left" with what made G.W. Bush a sadly viable candidate for the highest office in the USA - not once but twice.

The fact that some Americans were devious and malevolent enough to mislead a considerable slice of their population -- who deliberately opted to believe them over the many, many cautioning voices coming from professionals in the national security business on both sides of the Atlantic -- can in no way be read as an excuse to portray the cretin-in-chief as exemplary of the nation. Doing that is beyond illiterate, plain stupid.

Instead, I point the rhetorical gun the other way: if "the left" were left with no alternative but making do with the likes of Edward Pearces engaging Nick Cohens, God help us. That'd be about as satisfactory a description of reality, as is Pearce's hopefully well-intended but at any rate horribly misguided attempt at throwing populist red meat before an insulted audience. I can't suffer such colossally useless fools that well.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 05:54 PM
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18. I don't see where he's saying that W is exemplary of the people.
And I'm not getting any great insight from your posts, other than that you like to insult him a lot.

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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 06:07 PM
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19. By attributing
Bush's personality and traits to people, such as his references to blind militarism and extremely narrow-minded nationalism, he's doing just that.

If you missed that, tant pis. I'm not here specifically to regale you specifically with "great insight"; I just give my personal €0.02 on that pathetic bigoted moron accusing practically an entire nation (of no less than 300 million souls) of being, well, pathetic bigoted morons. Oddly perhaps, but I find that unimpressive enough to excoriate his glaringly blind hypocrisy.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 01:58 AM
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20. 60 to 70% disapproval
shows that Americans have wised up to B*sh, so in that sense the article is somewhat out of date. However since they've been conned into giving him so much power it's proving difficult to take it away from him (the British are no better though - Blair is just as unpopular and just as tenacious in clinging to power).
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