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Paranoid Pessimist Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 08:59 AM
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I Hope Arianna is Wrong -- Democrats to take a dive?
The Democratic Party -- and I mean the Washington leadership, not the people out here in real worldsville -- continue to remind me of a boxer who is put in there as an opponent, expected to look like he's putting up a good fight but ultimately lose. They seem like they're there to show that there is an opponent, to look like an opponent but ultimately lose. It's hard for someone even as cynical and pessimistic as I am to understand why they are unwilling to jump all over the Bushistas for their god-awful miserable mess of a war (or pair of wars with more on the way).

I hope rank and file folks get on their case.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/deja-vu-all-over-again_b_29977.html

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 09:02 AM
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1. She is right, been that way for decades now. nt
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 09:14 AM
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2. I agree. I date it to the Reagan era. nt
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 09:38 AM
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3. The party leadership types are all quite wealthy
and they want to keep their tax cuts. They're also beholden to the Wall Street Dems to keep the gravy train on schedule.

Apparently it's OK being out of power as long as the cash flow is positive.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 09:51 AM
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4. It never ceases to amaze me how someone can come along and put the situatt
situation in exact, PRECISE terms that people can understand:

"Apparently it's OK being out of power as long as the cash flow is positive."

EXCELLENT!!!!

That one sentence says what has been said a million times in big, long voluminous columns, books, etc.

Half of DU consistsof us beating our heads against the wall in frustration because we wonder why our leaders won't speak up.


And you have said it ALL in one little sentence. Congratulations!!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 11:09 AM
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5. that's why they were so bewildered by revulsion at Lieberman
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 11:34 AM
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6. How many Democrats could honestly run Paul Wellstone's last commercial?

"I don’t represent the big oil companies. I don’t represent the big pharmaceutical companies. I don’t represent the Enrons of this world. But you know what? They already have great representation in Washington. It’s the rest of the people that need it.”

http://www.ourfuture.org/onmessage/borosage/borosage_oct30_02.cfm



That was such a losing message that the only way he was removed from office was a plane crash.

He not only had a distinctly different message than the GOP, it was simple, obvious, and right.


It's from a longer post I did on advice the Democrats seem to consistently ignore:



Democrats fail to learn how to fight from GOP


While a lot of what the GOP is doing is illegal and immoral, there are a lot of valuable lessons our elected officials could easily be learning from them.

These fall into two broad categories, what the right does themselves and what they tell democrats NOT to do.

What they do themselves:


  • They treat communication as a primary tool, not an afterthought or a way to reward loyal flunkies with a job (that's what the GOP thinks FEMA is for).

  • they have a few simple, understandable talking points/ goals.

  • The goals are concrete enough that any idiot could see how they would be translated into actions.

  • there are coherent principles under their talking points:

    Business is good and needs to be unchained.

    In fact, you can tell what they care about by applying their own principles:


    If you love it, set it free. If you hate it, regulate it to death.

    If you love it, give it money
    (budget funding, tax breaks, subsidies, or contracts). If you hate it, starve it of money (Norquist's 'starve the beast').

    Therefore, they love oil companies and hate education. (but they don't ever say this)

  • they repeat them ad nauseum for DECADES until they become conventional wisdom.

    One of their biggest successes at this was the 'Social Security isn't going to be there when you retire' meme. They repeated this so often that people under 40 actually believe it, which is why the Bushies had some hope of passing their privatization scam. If they try it again after everyone old enough to remember the Great Depression is dead, they will succeed.


  • they actually work toward these as goals (with the glaring exception of balancing the budget)

  • they scream loudly when they suffer a setback on these goals.

  • They do not fear public, even emotional, conflict in pursuit of these goals.

    Conflict is what makes people pay attention and get emotionally involved.

    If you just say something nice in a nice way, you make about as much of an impression as that Hallmark birthday card your grandma sends you with calligraphy and a water color duck pond on the front--none.

    If the opposition starts to complain or criticize, that means you have done something right, not wrong.

  • They do not pre-compromise.

    They start with what they actually want and make the other side demand that they water it down. Then they compromise only grudgingly. Democrats often start with a compromise position and by the time negotiations are over, nothing is left.

  • They understand that EVERY vote communicates their values

    Even if you are going to lose, you should vote your core values. Even if the other side complains about it, they are doing you a favor by telling voters what you will fight for.

  • They figure out where their opposition is getting support and destroy that financial base.

    Grover Norquist has said this explicitly. Making lawsuits more difficult not only does business a direct, obvious favor, but it starves trials lawyers of funds and trial lawyers give money to democrats. Anti-labor laws and the complimentary DLC effort to shed union money from the Democrats has a similar effect; with that money gone, the Democrats either shrivel or turn to corporate donors who they then become beholden to.

    Democrats should do the same. An ethical way to do this is with public funding of campaigns, and requiring TV to carry a set number of campaign commercials for free in exchange for their broadcast licenses. This would choke corporate money out of the GOP, and leave them with just the religious right (who would actually agree with us on a lot of economic issues like trade).

    If there was a GOP equivalent of Bob Shrum who ran the kind of shitty, dickless, forgetable commercials and gave the advice to a Republican he gave to John Kerry, we would not know his name because he wouldn't have made it to the presidential level. He would be the janitor at GOP headquarters.

  • They energize their base.

    We saw this most clearly in Kerry v. Bush. Kerry was aiming for the middle, to pick up undecided votes, and Bush was aiming to excite his base to get them out to the polls. While Kerry may have won some the middle, his base went to the polls more to vote against Bush than for him. If he had a less obviously dangerous opponent like Papa Bush, the base would have stayed home.

    The GOP does this with hot button issues like abortion or gay marriage, and put them on the ballot when they want people to show up at the polls. The Democrats could easily find a couple of substantive issues to drive people to the polls too, like raising the minimum wage or anti-corruption initiatives.

    If there was a 'No More Dick Cheney/Halliburton style cronyism' propositon ont he ballot, I'm going to the polls, and I'd probably vote for the Democrat too, no matter how bland or weak-kneed.

  • they talk about morals

    It is immoral to let people die so drug companies and insurance companies can make greater profits.

    It is immoral that a smart kid takes ten years to get through college because he has to flip burgers full time to pay for it, or go to Iraq and get a leg blown off to qualify for government assistance to pay for school.

    It is immoral to invade other countries to give the oil to corporations as we did in Iraq, or try to over-throw fairly elected presidents to give the oil to corporations as we tried to do in Venezuela.

    It is immoral that corporations that send our jobs overseas often pay no taxes and get subsidies.

    It is immoral for elected officials to go to work for businesses they should have been policing when they were in office, or letting corporations pick the heads of the agencies that regulate them.

    It is immoral to take from the poor and middle class and give to the rich.

    (there's a second half on what to do with the free advice Republicans give Democrats).

    http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2006/01/democrats-fail-to-learn-how-to-fight.html
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:44 PM
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9. The last six replies to posts have been positive
Either all my neurons are firing or standards are being lowered around here. I'm in grave danger of getting a swelled head.

Thanks. Do feel free to spread anything you find useful around. It's one reason I post here.

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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 11:36 AM
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7. who here really thinks anything gonna change this time around
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:33 PM
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8. I don't think she is right
There is a wind of change and as long as they don't find OBL suddenly or we don't have a major attack, I think we have a good chance this year. All the races I have followed are leading by double digits.
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