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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 07:01 AM
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Richard Perle: We should not tolerate the preachers of jihad
Feel free to rebut this article at your leisure folks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/08/13/do1304.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2006/08/13/ixopinion.html

It has always been difficult to draw the fine line between protected speech, which is fundamental to our individual liberty, and incitement to prohibited criminal activity. In the United States, that line has long been defined by the concept of a "clear and present" danger. You don't claim the right to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theatre as a matter of free speech. In the UK, too, advocacy that falls short of incitement to immediate violence has been widely tolerated.

But combating Islamist extremism may require rethinking the idea of imminence in judging the dangers, and the appropriate response to them, of the insidious process leading ultimately to acts of mass murder. It is the act of recruitment into the swamp of a world divided into believers and infidels that may well be the more appropriate line dividing acceptable from unacceptable advocacy.

Yet in both the UK and the US we have been reluctant - dangerously so - to restrict, and in many cases even to monitor, what is said in the mosques and social centres of Islamist extremists.

In both our countries, there is great resistance to the effective surveillance of extremist Islamist groups. Opposed by most Muslim and civil liberty organisations, which fear that official scrutiny will lead to harassment and discrimination, police authorities have found it difficult to gather essential intelligence that could give timely warning of the formation of cells and networks destined to plan and execute acts of terror.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 07:05 AM
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1. "We should not tolerate the preachers of jihad"
That is why I don't listen to Richard Perle.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 07:31 AM
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5. My exact thought when I saw the headline.
Screw you, Pearle.
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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 08:57 AM
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7. Perle
Another Nazi that signed on to PNAC. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rove, what do these names have in common? Sieg Heil baby.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 07:07 AM
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2. And what should we do with extremists like Perle?
Incarceration or execution?
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 07:18 AM
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3. He makes a good point
but preachers of jihad were tolerated when it served certain purposes.

For me the problem is B*sh and Blair. Blair is on 67% disapproval and similar for *.

Both have lied repeatedly to their people and manipulated terror and tragedy to their own ends.

Only when we have real represnetative leaders in both US & UK can we address these issues in good faith.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 07:19 AM
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4. You first Richard. Put down your PNAC bible and start a
movement. Moron.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 08:42 AM
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6. What about the Christian preachers of jihad?
Of course, when they follow the call to arms they join the military so they can kill Muslims - Never mind
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:43 AM
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8. If there is a revolution at some point, and if
the neocons lost, and if I came across Perle, the choice would be bewteen his head on a pike versus the simple elegance of the rope.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:56 AM
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9. We should not tolerate agents of a foreign govt running US foreign policy.
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