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Gingergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 07:28 PM
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Gore: US should extricate itself from Iraq
I have not heard of many other Democrats calling for us to get out of Iraq.

From a speech in San Diego:

<http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20031021-9999_1m21goredole.html>

"Gore said the United States must "find a way to extricate ourselves with honor, without damaging the country (Iraq) any more."

A lighter side of Gore, Dole at conference
By Philip J. LaVelle
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
October 21, 2003
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 07:35 PM
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1. Excellent
Obviously, this man should have been elected president (oops - forgot! He was!)
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Gingergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 07:45 PM
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2. Yes, and he would be running today in my opinion
if not for the DLC/big money Dem donors who somehow believed that Gore was too populist and so they went with Lieberman. I can't wait for Lieberman to drop out.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 07:50 PM
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3. We should have a DU party...
...nationwide when he does.

Party o'er here...party o'er here!
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 03:38 PM
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6. No. He didn't run because he thought he'd lose.
He looked at the polls that had Bush souring and thought he'd lose. So, like in Florida in 2000, he chickened out and let Bush and the GOP walk all over him.

As for the DLC wanting Lieberman over Gore, you're wrong. Gore is a DLC member, buddy.
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Gingergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 08:16 AM
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7. Lots of Dems are DLC members. But they don't all toe the
DLC line. The point of the post is that Gore has called for the US to get out of Iraq which Dean and Clark have not. So who is out in front on this issue? Just asking?
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 02:38 PM
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11. Gore would not advocate leaving Iraq with a power vaccuum by
immediately pulling out. Gore would not want us to pull out so that Al Queda could gain a strong foothold in a country that is at the crossroads between the Mideast and Europe and has ample oil supplies to help fund terrorism.

Gore alluded to our responsibilities to Iraq if we invaded unilaterally as Bush wanted. Go to his Sep 23, 2002 speech and read it.

Gore would side with Dean in that we need to get a multinational security force patrolling Iraq until Iraqis could run it themselves.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 02:34 PM
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10. As a Gore Supporter for Dean, I somewhat disagree with you
I think that Gore looked at his options, the help or lack of help he'd get from party operatives and donors, and decided that he could not get the Party united soon enough to support him and overthrow Bush. People, like Barney Franks, were publicly suggesting that Gore not run in favor of their candidate. Kerry is Franks's choice.

I also think that Gore read the times well enough to realize that he wasn't the right person to defeat Bush and was wise enough to pull out. Like Bilbo Baggins in Tolkein's story, Lord of the Rings, Gore knew when to give up the seductive Ring of Power before it completely destroyed him and his family.

Fate seemed to work against Gore. When Gore scheduled his first speech after his months long silence, 9-11-01 happened and Gore had to bridle his tongue in the aftermath of that disaster. When Gore gave his brilliant Sep. 23, 2002 speech in San Fran last year against the Iraq War, he started moving the anti-war contingent towards the Democratic Party. In that speech, Gore gave us anti-Iraq War protesters a statesmanlike response to Bush's war drums, but what did the Democratic Party leaders -- Lieberman, Gephardt, Daschle, Kerry, Edwards -- do? They, still thinking that Al Gore was a Prez contender, did the opposite of what Gore strongly suggested. They caved into Bush's war games. Gore saw the Democratic Party fracturing over petty power plays, and he just did not have the answer to re-unite it.

When Gore bowed out, Howard Dean gained a lot of Gore's supporters because we opposed the war, just like Dean did. Liberal Oasis was a pro-Gore web blog before becoming a pro-Dean one, so be careful how you attack Gore.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 07:52 PM
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4. ROFL
"I mean, what are you gonna do? You win some, you lose some, and then there's that little-known third category."

Now I'm gonna tear up. What an unfathomable life he has.
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Gingergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 11:24 AM
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5. Gore has been out in front of the Democratic leaders on
so many issues including this one. Who else besides Kucinch has called for us to extricate ourselves from Iraq? The term extrication reminds me of Vietnam discussions.
I like the idea of a party when lil' ol' Joe drops out. I couldn't believe he got involved in that issue in Florida on the comatose woman.
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 10:25 AM
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9. sharpton
at last nights debate and Saturday at the March in Washington.
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number six Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 09:32 AM
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8. wish Gore had shown balls like this in 2000
It's always too late, isn't it?
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Gingergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:31 PM
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12. More speeches on the way in Nov. from Gore:
Hope they will be on CSPAN.
Gore to address terrorism, civil liberties November 9
-----------------------------------------------------
GNN News - - Former Vice President Gore will give his third major speech
on the Administration's response to terrorism on Sunday, November 9th at
the DAR Constitution Hall in Washington D.C. Gore will describe the
Administration's assault on our civil liberties as un-American and will
charge that the Bush/Ashcroft attack on the Constitution is actually a
smokescreen that obscures the Administration's fundamental failure to
meaningfully protect our national security, and that their efforts have
weakened rather than strengthened America.

This event is cosponsored by the American Constitution Society
(link:http://www.americanconstitutionsociety.org) and Moveon.org
(link:http://www.moveon.org).


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Gore to campaign for Philadelphia Mayor Street
----------------------------------------------
>From The Philadelphia Inquirer
(link:http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/7118984.htm)

Al Gore will speak at a reelection rally for Philadelphia Mayor John
Street on Sunday, November 2nd.

What:
"On to Victory Rally" for Mayor John Street

When:
Sunday, November 2nd
Doors open 2:30 PM

Where:
Zion Baptist Church
3600 North Broad Street
Philadelphia, PA


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Gore to speak on the state of democracy
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What:
Al Gore will give two speeches about the current state of democracy as
part of the John Seigenthaler lecture series at Middle Tennessee State
University.

When:
1.) Tuesday, November 11
4:30-6:30 p.m.
Topic: Media and democracy

2.) Tuesday, November 25th (date change)
4:30-6:30 p.m.
Topic: Race and democracy

Where:
The State Farm Room
Business/Aerospace Building
Middle Tennessee State University
Murfreesboro, TN

Details:
Both lectures are free. However, seating is limited and reservations are
required. From reservations please email Pat Thomas at pthomas@mtsu.edu
(link:mailto:pthomas@mtsu.edu).

(Note: There will be a question and answer session after each speech.
However, questions will be limited to the topic of each speech.)


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maha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:40 PM
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13. FYI: All of the Democratic candidates have said that.
Every Dem dandidate is on record as pledging to extricate the U.S. from Iraq. The only difference among them is how, and over what period of time.
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