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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:04 PM
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Hillary's pathetic ploy
http://www.stpetetimes.com/2005/12/12/Opinion/Hillary_s_pathetic_pl.shtml

Hillary's pathetic ploy
A Times Editorial
Published December 12, 2005

Sen. Hillary Clinton's decision to co-sponsor a bill to make it a crime to burn the American flag amounts to political pandering of the worst kind. She was against outlawing flag-burning before she was for it.

The New York Democrat says she opposes a constitutional amendment to ban flag-burning but has signed on to a bill that would ostensibly accomplish the same thing by federal statute. Her position is unprincipled. Clinton may think this is a middle-ground position with broad political appeal, but most people will see it for what it is.

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The Democratic Party doesn't need another candidate who lacks the backbone to take a clear, principled stand, and it certainly doesn't need a candidate who doesn't believe in the First Amendment.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:25 PM
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1. Hillary Clinton Blames the Victim
(I wrote this after reading your post)

http://www.speakspeak.org/speak-blog/2005/12/12/hillary-clinton-blames-the-victim/

Suppose a protester burns an American flag and is punched by an upset onlooker.

Hillary Clinton wants the the person who was punched to be punished by "by up to a year in jail and a $100,000 fine."

Hillary Clinton's values are upside-down. This is a despicable inversion in setting the norms of civilized behavior.

Civilization is based on tolerance, but Hillary Clinton would glorify intolerance with this disgusting statute.

From the St. Petersburg Times of Florida:

The measure she has co-sponsored along with Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, is the Flag Protection Act of 2005. One provision would make it a crime punishable by up to a year in jail and a $100,000 fine, to burn an American flag of "any size" if a person knows that it is "likely to produce imminent violence or a breach of the peace."

The crime is not the act of burning the flag (since old and tattered flags are burned regularly by veteran groups) but to burn a flag in criticism of the American government when someone is nearby who cannot control his impulses. This gives remarkable power to those in our society who resort to violence in response to disturbing speech and messages.

The Democratic Party doesn't need another candidate who lacks the backbone to take a clear, principled stand, and it certainly doesn't need a candidate who doesn't believe in the First Amendment.


Marches led by Martin Luther King were often met with violence. Under Hillary Clinton's logic, that means his marches should have been illegal.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:34 PM
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2. Yippee!
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aPOSITIVEwin Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 03:15 PM
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3. Isn't Hillary...
...nuancing things just a little too finely? I mean, it seems like, more and more, she is whittling issues down to the small end of nothing, trying parse them ever more carefully just so she doesn't make a 'mistake'. Instead, it makes her look insincere. I don't know if I could trust someone that deliberately 'clever'....
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