US is "...using (male) rape as a military strategy. "

[bobbieinok]

afraid

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

....

Every time I read this stuff it makes my stomach churn. What is being described is depraved sexual violence--- rape. And I wonder about the men and women who are perpetrating these horrifying acts. This is a license to unleash the darkness which I assume exists to some extent or another in most people --- and then they are going to come back into society and we are going to expect them to behave like decent people.

I'm beginning to think that we're not dealing with interrogation at all. We're dealing with something insidious and familiar: rape camps. It appears that based upon some strange reading of Islam that says being raped is unusually unpleasant for Muslims, we are using rape as a military strategy. The same thing happened in Bosnia to Muslim women:



"...the Mission accepted the view that rape is part of a pattern of abuse, usually perpetrated with the conscious intention of demoralising and terrorising communities, driving them from their home regions and demonstrating the power of the invading forces. Viewed in this way, rape cannot be seen as incidental to the main purposes of the aggression but at serving a strategic purpose in itself."


Americans are apparently doing the same thing --- to men. There is just too much evidence of this wierd sexual violence and humiliation for it to be a coincidence. We have become the Serbs.

[xchrom]

1. i don't assume it's new.

i assume it's just now being disclosed.

[readmoreoften]

2. Yes, and I'm sure that it's only men they are raping.

I remember reading a declassified document out of the School of the Americas in Fort Benning, Georgia (you know, where we train 3rd world dictators).

It went on about, not just rape, but *how* to properly rape people according to gender.

Apparently, military research showed that if you are going to rape a man, the torture will be more effective if you remove his clothing for him. For a woman, it is more effective if you make her remove her own clothing.

Your tax dollars at work! Now THAT'S intelligence!

Don't ask me for a frickin' link, I read this before the internet! Maybe if you google SOA (I know they changed their name) you may be able to find a link.

[Ganja Ninja]

3. or maybe they're using military strategy as an excuse ...

for male rape. Wouldn't surprise me.:shrug:

[Joe Chi Minh]

4. What more is there to be said about the fathomless abyss

of the evil of your military industrial complex and its political apologists.

I've read that Clark is in favour of the SOA. Are there any of your Congressmen and Senators who have spoken out against it?

[Ganja Ninja]

5. Senators and Congressmen?

Oh yea, real pillars of virtue there. It's disgusting to see how low we've sunk.

[mia]

7. Kucinich spoke out against the SOA.

From Floor discussion on the SOA Bill HR 2159
The amendment would have cut off Congressional funding to the School of the Americas of $1.2 million that was included in HR 2159.

"The School of Americas in Fort Benning, GA, has a roster of graduates that reads like a Who's Who of human rights violators:

Nineteen of the twenty-six Salvadoran officers accused in the 1989 massacre of the six Jesuits and their housekeeper and the housekeeper's daughter were graduates of the School of the Americas. Ten of the twelve cited in the El Mozote massacre where an entire village was wiped out without a trace; men, women and children, wiped out; 10 of the 12 people involved in that were graduates of the School of the Americas. Two of the three officers cited in Archbishop Romero's assassination were graduates of the School of the Americas.

The School of the Americas; of what America is this the school of? Certainly not the United States of America, because the people of the United States of America do not support murder, do not support rape, do not support torture. Yet this is called the School of the Americas, and its graduates are involved in rape, murder, torture, genocide. The School of the Americas indeed....


Mr. Chairman, those who oppose closing the School of the Americas defend it as a haven for human rights protectors. The inversion of meaning is an ongoing problem in political philosophy. It is something that the writer, George Orwell, well understood where wrong becomes right and worse becomes the better reason and where murderers and rapists become human rights protectors."

http://www.soaw.org/new/article.php?id=124



"The inversion of meaning...where wrong becomes right and worse becomes the better reason and where murderers and rapists become human rights protectors."

[Joe Chi Minh]

8. Good for Kuchinich!

The Christians in American politics should bear in mind Christ's warning, that if they do not acknowledge him before men, then he will not acknowledge them before his heavenly father.

Since "respectability" is crucial to the exercise of power in its highest reaches, in "respectable" circles, in most matters, it would be more difficult to own up to a lack of personal religious belief than to acknowledge belief in Christ in his own person; unlike in Christ's own day, when to acknowledge Christ was to risk banishment by the authorities from the Synagogue (in a theocratic and you can bet a self-righteously oppressive society), preferring to openly put your trust in a penniless indigent preacher.

Today, we have that same opportunity, in the person of the poor and oppressed, whom Christ explicitly warned us he would continue his life here on earth; and we'd better act accordingly or we shall unfailingly be expelled from God's presence with the goats, to eternal torment. And wouldn't we just deserve it? It was probably the only promise, as opposed to threat that Jesus made throughout his ministry, but he never ceased to warn us.

[mia]

9. "to acknowledge belief in Christ " risks banishment from surprising places

Your post reminded me of this.

Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew 22:37-40

So much for Compassionate Conservatism.

[Joe Chi Minh]

10. Yes, it was never breath-taking, but now it's dead and buried.

[bananas]

6. Digby titled it "Unleashing the Id"

and the permalink is http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2005_10_30_digbysblog_archive.html#113081728153685746

What is happening makes me think of the movie "Forbidden Planet",
it's like we are unleashing the monster from the id.

Wow, I just googled "monster from the id" (with quotes),
and the first two hits are:


Men Can Stop Rape - Resources
... beautiful daughter, Altaira, from the dangers of a primitive and savage monster
from the id. Send a comment about "Monster from the Id" to Pat McGann. ...
www.mencanstoprape.org/info-url2699/info-url_show.htm?doc_id=123854 - 36k - Cached - Similar pages


2002 October eNewsletter "Check-In" "Monster from the Id" Pat McGann
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
"Monster from the id" comes from "Forbidden Planet" œ a classic 'fifties science
fiction. movie loosely based on Shakespeare's "The Tempest" that critiques ...
www.mencanstoprape.org/usr_doc/Monster_from_the_id.pdf - Similar pages

[Briar]

11. Isn't male

rape usual in US prisons as a means of humiliation of and retribution against the "bad people"? I have noticed that references to this are common in US tv programmes and films etc when the "bad guys" are sent to prison (doubtless to reassure audiences that no soft, "liberal" attempts to rehabilitate await the villain).

[warrens]

12. Hey, they have to get their recruitment numbers up SOME way

Join the Army and rape people.

[genie_weenie]

13. too much evidence?

It is impossible to unequivocally proclaim these events did not occur to David Hicks. However, until there is proof I will not charge those accused with rape. The claim that rape (as a weapon) are being perpetrated by an invader has always been historically used as a propaganda weapon. A standard tactic by AQ is too claim abuse/torture has been done to them in custody. I have read some ridiculous claims asserted by those in Iraq and Afghanistan to the *inhumane* treatment they have supposedly received. This by no means is too downplay the abuse that did occur at Abu G. I am merely stating that rational skepticism is called for when reading the claims made by people, no matter who they may be...

[newyawker99]

14. Hi genie_weenie!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast: