Virginity Or Death! (Fundies don't want vaccine that prevents HPV)

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/19/opinion/main696613.shtml

Imagine a vaccine that would protect women from a serious gynecological cancer. Wouldn't that be great? Well, both Merck and GlaxoSmithKline recently announced that they have conducted successful trials of vaccines that protect against the human papilloma virus. HPV is not only an incredibly widespread sexually transmitted infection but is responsible for at least 70 percent of cases of cervical cancer, which is diagnosed in 10,000 American women a year and kills 4,000.

Wonderful, you are probably thinking, all we need to do is vaccinate girls (and boys too for good measure) before they become sexually active, around puberty, and HPV -- and, in thirty or forty years, seven in ten cases of cervical cancer -- goes poof.

Not so fast: We're living in God's country now. The Christian right doesn't like the sound of this vaccine at all. "Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful," Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council told the British magazine New Scientist, "because they may see it as a license to engage in premarital sex." Raise your hand if you think that what is keeping girls virgins now is the threat of getting cervical cancer when they are 60 from a disease they've probably never heard of.

I remember when people rolled their eyeballs if you suggested that opposition to abortion was less about "life" than about sex, especially sex for women. You have to admit that thesis is looking pretty solid these days. No matter what the consequences of sex -- pregnancy, disease, death -- abstinence for singles is the only answer. Just as it's better for gays to get AIDS than use condoms, it's better for a woman to get cancer than have sex before marriage. It's honor killing on the installment plan.

[BadNews]

1. I wouldn't get vaccinated. I wouldn't vaccinate my kids either. N/T

[The Doctor.]

4. Explain your reasoning... I'm dreadfully curious. n/t

[Skittles]

8. a ridiculous thing to say without explaining, I must say

WTF?

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[The Doctor.]

22. The same 'not me' mentality that has been the

perennial downfall of many societies.

With the introduction of ultrasound in India and China, couples have a method by which they might avoid bearing baby girls. Now there will be no one for their sons to marry.

The same mentality of one of the four commuters in such a hurry that he takes up the space in the middle of the intersection because he wants to get that one car length closer to his destination... thus insuring gridlock.
Those four or more selfish commuters have guaranteed that no one gets where they want to go in time.

It makes me sick to know that each and every one of us could have so much more if so many were not so selfish and short-sighted.

And there's always a 'support our W' sticker on the SUV in the intersection.

[RamboLiberal]

9. And I guess you didn't get polio vaccines or any others

Now granted the age, combinations and of course the mercury in vaccines need to be studied, but I for one damn glad that many illnesses are prevented by vaccines.

I'd rather not have to worry about getting polio, smallpox and other illnesses.

[Hello_Kitty]

2. "It's honor killing on the installment plan" You nailed it. n/t

[MrModerate]

3. Let 'em pretend that "their" girls don't engage in premarital sex . . .

And deal with the unplanned pregnancies, STDs, partner abuse, poverty, and social disruption such things cause. And since their smarter masters in DC have dismantled the safety net, let them pay, too.

After all, isn't that what the Family Research Council is all about? Maximizing the pressure on the family so that their work is seen as essential?

[punpirate]

5. Funny, too, how FRC is the lobbying effort...

... in Washington of Focus on the Family, and its head lobbyist is Tony Perkins--who just happens to be good buds with Bill Frist because of those nasty attempts to keep insane judges off the bench, who, in turn, just happens to be a doctor.

I really want to hear the logical gymnastics Frist is going to have to go through to defend the fundies against a new vaccine made by a prominent couple of drug-makers. Talk about multiple conflicts of interest.... :P

[The Doctor.]

6. How do you know if a fundie's daughter is still a virgin?

If she can run faster than her brothers.

(sorry- couldn't resist the recycled redneck joke)

[free_spirit82]

15. It's amazing...

Of all the girls I knew in high school and college that got abortions, only one did it because she believed it was what was best for her. The rest were basically forced into it by their fundie parents because they didn't want their reputations smeared by having a non-virgin daughter. I was amazed at how many girls there were. All of the parents had anti-abortion stickers on the back of their SUV's too. This one girl went down kicking and screaming after her fundie father forced her to have an abortion, and let several families dirty laundry out at church one day.....her family sent her to an aunt in Arizona not long after that.

(I grew up in a deeply fundie South Georgia town. That place is scary; it is the dark hole of the world to me, you can feel the life being sucked out of you as you cross the city limits line.)

[MountainLaurel]

25. Some DUer

Told a story once about her time either working at or volunteering at a women's clinic. One of their long-time protestors brought her daughter in for an abortion one day, was back on the street picketing the "baby-killers" the next.

[Warpy]

7. To heck with HPV vaccine

I want one that prevents fundies.

[Shallah Kali]

10. Fundies want your daughters to die of cancer

Saves them the trouble of rounding up a crowd to stone women guilty of "unchastity before marriage". - see here:

In Theocracy They Trust
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/04/11/judicial_conference/index1.html
Or
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/041105F.shtml

I wish there was a group willing to lay out the fundies intentions that bluntly in a TV or print ad. Radical clerics oppose a lifesaving vaccine that would prevent 7 out of 10 cases of cervical cancer. They would rather let not only their own daughters but yours die than allow girls to be vaccinated. Where is the Culture of Life now?


another thing that is wrong with the fundie reasoning is that if the girls are virgin they will be OK. Well what about their husband? What if he strays especially since all the burden is being put on the females to refuse sex and not on the males to not ask for it. I mentioned this vaccine to a fundie acquaintance and it was obvious she had never thought of the fact that to protect the woman from disease she not only needs to keep her marriage vows but the husband needs to be just as 'pure'.

[applegrove]

12. So married women would then have access to it? Or do they have

to die the death god planned for them too?

[NMMNG]

13. Gotta love fundie logic

"Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful," Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council told the British magazine New Scientist, "because they may see it as a license to engage in premarital sex."

Don't teach kids about sex or they will run out and have it....

and don't teach them how to protect themselves from STDs, AIDS and pregnancy because that gives them license to go off and be promiscuous!

So why doesn't teaching kids about the dangers of putting their hands on hot stove burners make them want to touch hot stove burners?

And why doesn't teaching kids about the dangers of running into the street make them want to run onto the Interstate?

And why isn't putting a safety helmet on a kid license for him to dive headfirst off the roof of the house?



:crazy:

[Shallah Kali]

26. Talking about sex causes sex according to fundie logic

They way they talk one would think that there was no such thing as adultery, divorce, prostitution and sex outside of marriage before the invention of birth control :rolleyes Cultures condemned these things, even killed people for doing them yet people did it anyway. Look at the fundamentalist Islamic countries where honor killings are rampant even in modern times. I really fear what would happen if these people get the political power they are striving for because America will then be like Afghanistan only with Christian window dressing instead of Islam.

[NMMNG]

27. If talking about sex causes sex...

They shouldn't let kids read the Bible!

Otherwise they'll be getting their fathers drunk and having sex with them and all other sorts of debauchery !

[DemBones DemBones]

14. Those who say that are showing their ignorance.

Cervical cancer is correlated to having more than one sexual partner. Like any woman who's been widowed or divorced and remarried. Divorce can happen to even the nicest woman if her husband turns out to be unfaithful or abusive

But I do agree with the first, much-criticized, poster to some extent -- I would be wary of any new vaccine. I'm still wondering if the contamination known to occur in early batches of polio vaccine was the cause of the multiple autoimmune diseases I have today. Yes, I'm glad I didn't get polio and remember those days of epidemic polio well, but I could do without the diseases I have today, all of which are disabling and potentially lethal. Magic bullets can kill.

[Demeter]

16. Divorce? Hell! STDs Can Happpen to Any Married Woman With An Unfaithful

Husband!

[DemBones DemBones]

17. You need to read what the American Cancer Society says re:HPV.

HPV (Human Papilloma Virus) is the "STD" associated with cervical cancer and here's some into from the American Cancer Society:

Human papillomavirus infection: The most important risk factor for cervical cancer is infection by the human papillomavirus (HPV). Doctors believe that most women must have had this virus before they will develop cervical cancer. HPVs are a group of more than 100 types of viruses called papillomaviruses because they can cause warts, or papillomas, which are noncancerous (benign) tumors. Certain types, however, cause cancer of the cervix. These are called "high-risk" types of HPV and include HPV 16, HPV 18, HPV 31, HPV 33, and HPV 45, as well as some others. About half of all cervical cancers are caused by HPV 16 and 18.

<snip>

Certain types of sexual behavior increase a woman's risk of getting HPV:
sex at an early age
having many sexual partners
having sex with uncircumcised males

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_4_2X_What_are_the_risk_factors_for_cervical_cancer_8.asp?rnav=cri

Perhaps they should add "having sex with a man who has many sexual partners," but I only know what the ACS is saying, and what has been said by many experts for twenty or thirty years. I remember when it was delicately put as "Women who have been married more than once are at increased risk for cervical cancer" and "Women whose husbands are uncircumcised are at increased risk for cervical cancer." With the new frank language, I don't know why they would not say "having sex with a man who has many sexual partners" if that was believed to be a risk.

[Vektor]

19. Can I add...

to your statement: "Cervical cancer is correlated to having more than one sexual partner. "

...that while an increased number of partners increases the likelihood that a person will encounter an STD, they really only need one partner to become infected.

[Shallah Kali]

20. It is good to be cautious meds but once it is proven I will use it

and if i ever have children I would weigh any risks and then inoculate them as well. My Father died of lung cancer and it was horror to watch. I don't want to ever watch someone I love suffer like that again.

[Blaze Diem]

18. They believe the same stupid thing about condoms..

Fundies don't like condoms either..Who decides these rules? Women Fundies? Men Fundies?
Geez..well I suppose the condom is just a nuisance when Uncle Fundie is molesting the children.

These hypocrites make me sick. Why should I choose my life path based on their hypocritical belief system.

Who says they are more correct than me?

About time for a revolution of the righteous. We'd all kick their butts.
The vaccine should be available for public health reasons. The choice is yours ..no right or wrong about either. Same with AIDS and stem cell technology.

[baby_bear]

23. Surely the Catholic Church would not oppose this

...I hope.

Cervical cancer is a dreadful way to die. The HPV vaccine could not be construed in any way to prevent pregnancy as condoms do. So hopefully the Church would embrace, not oppose this, unlike, apparently the fundies.

b_b

[CatholicEdHead]

24. Not so sure

using the "offical" reasoning, which is sex should only happen with one partner of the opposite gender, after marriage for the sole reason of procreation. So, by that theory, there is no reason for this vaccine.

And of course NO ONE would do anything different than the offical stance.

/sarcasm

[applegrove]

28. Why are fundies the world over so focused on sex? I mean all

they think about is sex, sex, sex, and how to get more exclusive sex. Next the non-devout leaders will be putting sex into heaven..just like the Islamist do.

Why do they focus on sex? In my opinion it is because that is how you get the 'boys' to sign up. If there is no sex anywhere but where you put it..the kids will follow. Just like with sex in marketing.

Why did the woman's movement get so strong in the 1970s? Cause that is where the sex was. If you acted like a controlling misogynist..nobody would want to have sex with you. That is what choice means: to hell with you assholes! Church became a place where there was no sex. Now they want the sex back.

No different than a beer commercial. If I had sons or daughters I'd want them to know their own dam selves in at least 10 relationships before they decided who to have kids with.

I'm for the kids. I'm for strong marriages. I hate the people who decide what a person needs to be human. That is just pure interference and power. I am glad the evangelicals are rethinking their position on many issues. I wish the fundies leaders were truly, truly devout. But I don't see it anywhere. They don't follow the message of love of mankind. They just focus on the sex and their market for human souls.