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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:53 PM
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Bush impeachment talk swirls in media
Edited on Thu May-12-05 07:55 PM by ailsagirl
Political Gateway (May 12th, 2005)

Impeachment talk is swirling once again around a US President. The evidence is potentially damning and the Administration is silent as in all previous impeachment quandaries by US Presidents.

For many in the world the memo of the minutes of a meeting in 2002 are the smoking gun against the US President George W. Bush. This memo, authenticity not disputed by UK Officials, alludes to 'fixing of intelligence facts' to make the case for the war in Iraq. Impeachment is now on the lips of many in the liberal media. The conservative media, like the Drudge Report, have been strangely silent on the matter.

At the time of this article, George Bush has not responded to criticism nor a letter written by a number of Democratic Congressmen in the US.


http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read.html?id=3720
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:57 PM
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1. Oh I wish I wish I wish
:fingers crossed:

I choose to take heart in the fact that this memo story seems to be getting legs...
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:17 PM
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11. What do you mean? It's not like he had sex with a 22 year old!
I mean - I much rather have a President who sends young (often under-privileged) Americans off to die in an unnecessary war that he made up facts to justify - I'd much rather have that than a President who fools around on his wife - unless he "cheats" with a horse - that's OK - I mean - who can resist some of those male horses?

:sarcasm:

Seriously though - GOD - I wish this would happen!!!! Would we be stuck with Chenny though?
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:20 PM
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12. Yes, we would have Cheney..
unfortunately, the NeoCons would only be losing their frontman. But the repercussions in the upcoming elections would be tremendous.

When Nixon went down, so did a hell of a lot of other pukes, simply because they were pukes.
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:38 PM
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15. Maybe we should start with Cheney, then work our way to Bush
making sure to sweep up Condi, Rove and all the other tools in our net along the way.
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:44 AM
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28. Taking out Cheney via impeachment first is the only way to go
Then onto the rest of the scum. President Hastert? *shiver* Think about it this way, the only reason the Pukes were able to get this far is they had a front man who could fool the freeple into believing he is an actual leader. Without that frontman their cause is seriously hindered.
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:37 PM
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42. If impeachment is realized, it will expose many evils
and take down many evildoers.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:50 AM
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18. No we wouldn't
Cheney is up to his neck as well .... Dennis Hastart, would be interesting to see how long he would last if Americans really woke up.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:57 PM
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2. Now we have a liberal media and
a conservative media. Can't we just have honest media? Huh? Pretty please?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 05:53 AM
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26. That was my thought.
Media that is labled 'liberal' or 'conservative' cannot be news, becuase of inherent bias.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:59 PM
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3. It's starting....need to get it to the corporate media
But this is inspiring:


http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=426&row=0
(Note: There are some 1,000 sites pushing Greg Palast's Article)
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:17 PM
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4. nominated-n/t
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 07:06 AM
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38. How does one "nominate"? I'm new here. n/t
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:26 PM
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5. It will never happen. Media is totally controlled. Congress and Supreme
Court are controlled by Rpigs. We can stop dreaming (feels good to dream though!)
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:40 AM
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25. Don't give up so easily!
Tut tut!

Chin up, soldier ~ the Truth is the most powerful thing we could have.

Carry on.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:34 PM
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6. I believe that the impossible often has a way of becoming inevitable.


Nominated.

Talk about it, talk about it, talk about it.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:05 PM
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8. I do like that: "..the impossible often has a way of becoming inevitable"
I does look impossible, with all the corruption and single-party rule, but if anyone's eyes only opened a crack, they would see this is only ONE of the impeachable offenses by this president. In fact, he was not even elected. Either time.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:00 PM
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7. If Chimpeachment is going to happen, we have to make it happen
call media outlets, not just write them, asking for more coverage of the downing street memo. Ask the news shows to get one of those 89 congressmen who signed the letter on and talking. Write your elected officials. This evidence is strong enough to do something. We can't let it get lost in the bullshit again
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. wrote to my senators and rep
and the LA TIMES too.

i keep on bugging them.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:19 PM
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14. That's pretty clever: chimpeachment!! n/t
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 01:41 AM
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20. Not mine though. Thank one of the new guys for that gem! nt.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:17 PM
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10. Please, please, please let it be true.
If we can get the Chimperor out of the catbird seat we might just have a chance to save our country.

We need a praying smilie.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #10
31. Wait
Shouldn't we go after the President first?

Oh, wait, are we still pretending that Bush is the President? Sorry, my bad.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:26 PM
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13. Boy, I wish I could be optimistic about this
But it's going no where.

Hell, Suskind revealed this in book "The Price of Loyalty" over a year ago. They were planning this from the start. BFD.

So, if he broke the law, who is going to do something about it? The GOP controlled judiciary committee? The GOP controlled Senate? The GOP controlled House? Is the corporate media gonna break away from Michael Jackson?

Call me pessimistic, but these guys could eat babies for breakfast and the spin-meisters would wrap them in flags and say it's all in the name of fighting terrorism.
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:23 AM
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17. Absoltuley correct
Everyone's energy needs to be focused only in one place alone -- getting dems elected in 06.

Everything else is worthless.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 01:49 AM
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21. This could dovetail nicely into that goal though
Paint all the loyalist neocons with the same brush stroke. In 2006, we talk about how they ignored this, even when it broke in the past (which is now). Get our side to get the meme out that "the facts were fixed around the policy" early and then drive it home in '06. I'm just thinking out loud, but there is an opportunity to pin this on them later if the groundwork is laid now.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:18 AM
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32. I'm going to disagree to a point
First, take away the Repubs ability to steal elections - i.e. destroy Diebold and EE&S. Second, make sure we take back the Senate and even the House. Ask Max Clelland whether we can do the second without the first. He knows.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:24 AM
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33. frankly, I'm not convinced he even broke the law
I don't think that legally, Bush ever lied to anyone. There is no legal obligation for a politician to tell the truth in speeches, he never testified before Congress, or a Grand Jury (which is what got Clinton) I don't think he's broken any US laws.

that does not mean he hasn't broken faith with the US people or that he shouldn't be exposed daily for lying, but that I don't see how it meets the legal standard of "high crimes and misdemeanors"
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 11:02 AM
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34. Yep,
On the other hand there are dozens of treaties and international laws that this administration has ignored or outright violated. But, again, who is going to do anything about it?

We used to be a nation that could be counted on to do the right thing. Humph.
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:59 PM
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16. There is a new website - www.downingstreetmemo.com
Currently under construction that is a result of one of the dKos diaries ( http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/11/9395/32841 ) mentioned at the politicalgateway.com link upthread:

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/index.html

Don't forget to check each of the navigation links, especially the "Why Care" as it gives some facts about details of the Memo and compares it to what * said. You may find those useful if you need some facts when confronted by the skeptical.

Keep in mind this website is just now beginning, but you might want to bookmark it for future reference.

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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 01:22 AM
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19. Kick... Anything is possible. n/t
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 01:59 AM
Response to Original message
22. fixed=sexed?


RIP

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David K. Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #22
41. Was it ever determined that...
David Kelly in the picture actually was a suicide or was it not?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:06 AM
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23. O.K. 60 Minutes, now is the time to show us the infamous pre-
empted story about bushco* fabricating intelligence about the "Niger Yellowcake" incident. Remember Dan Rather and grow a spine.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:35 AM
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24. Not bloody likely...
Edited on Fri May-13-05 03:38 AM by Vyan
This current Congress is not going to consider impeachment, therefore what we need to focus on isn't necessarily a direct attack on Bush - but instead an shift in the control of the Congress back to Democratic hands. With such a shift, John Conyers becomes chairman of the Judiciary committee - where the Impeachment Process begins.

But we can't stop there...

With control of the relevant congressional committees - we can begin some serious Congressional Investigations, expulsion of Tom Delay from the Congress, full and thorough investigations of Dick Cheney's influence with Halliburton contracts and Enron Energy negotiations, the $8.8 Billion that vanished in Iraq, indict both Karl Rove - for outing Valerie Plame - and Donald Rumsfeld for his influence on our interrogation policies, then expose Condoleeza Rice's involvement in intelligence "fixing" for the Iraq War.

If anything, Impeachment is that last thing that should be done - once this Administration has been exposed and taken down brick by brick.

Bur first, we need the Congress back.

Vyan
http://vyan.blogspot.com
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 05:59 AM
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27. Bush impeachment talk swirls in media?
On what planet?

:eyes:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:23 PM
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36. On planet politicalgateway
read their 'swelling list", it is the same voices in the wilderness who can't even get through the thick noggins of the party and many other older progressive magazines because the memo surfaced in planet Britain and not through the MSM USA.

One similar problem occurred when Treasury Secy. O'Neill made some outrageous comments to the overseas Financial Times in 2001. Were it not for some of us(same swirling media) that actually read and made an issue of it it never would have existed as an embarrassing spilling of the big picture plan- much of which has subsequently come to pass.

This is wishful thinking almost believing its own whispering campaign. God knows if the minions of the MSM even take pills and wear ear muffs to keep our the words and thoughts that might reveal the monster they have been propping up. The Chosen are clearly by choice among that diehard 20% incapable of an independent doubt concerning Master Bush.

To make this real will take more than good news from politicalgateway. its method is well worth trumpeting by the rest of us.

Impeachment and then a coin toss for Leavenworth or Nuremberg.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:35 AM
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29. I doubt if anyone could name to Repug Congressmen who would ever vote to
impeach a Repug president no matter the gravity of the charges, no matter how compelling the evidence. Ger real folks.
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pursuivant Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 03:56 AM
Response to Reply #29
40. Sure they would . . .
if the president, say, tried to remove a statue of the 10 Commandments from a courthouse.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:04 AM
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30. If the press really wanted to get some ratings...
They would push the impeachment story.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 07:22 PM
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35. I heard about it right away from UK and PM problems but USA,
no media coverage, what a sorry state our news/media is in

:kick:
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:35 PM
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37. I'm sorry, but I can barely find the mention of the memo, much
less impeachment chatter . It should be there, but as far as I can tell it isn't.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:58 PM
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39. get Impeachment off lips and into ACTION
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