U.S. Says Hundreds of Insurgents Killed (no mention of the 315 in Germany)

[maddezmom]

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon (news - web sites)'s top general said Thursday that the assault on Iraq (news - web sites)'s rebel-controlled Fallujah has been "very, very successful," despite suspicions that many insurgents had simply fled before it began.



"Hundreds and hundreds of insurgents" have been either killed or captured, Air Force Gen. Richard Myers said in a round of morning network television interviews.


~snip~

Myers downplayed fears that many insurgents had simply already left Fallujah before the operation began and are setting up shop to fight elsewhere.

~snip~

From our viewpoint this is very, very successful," he said. "If anybody thinks that Fallujah is going to be the end of the insurgency in Iraq, that was never the objective, never our intention, and even never our hope."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=540&e=1&u=/ap/20041111/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq
U.S. Forces Batter Southern Fallujah

31 minutes ago Middle East - AP


By EDWARD HARRIS, Associated Press Writer

FALLUJAH, Iraq - U.S. warplanes and artillery bombarded southern parts of Fallujah where troops were trying to squeeze Sunni fighters in a smaller and smaller cordon Thursday, the fourth day of an offensive that has sent wounded streaming into the military's main hospital in Europe.



Two planes, each carrying around 90 bloodied and broken troops, were expected Thursday at the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany. They join 125 soldiers already at the hospital for treatment of wounds, most of them suffered in the assault.


At least 13 U.S. soldiers and Marines have been killed so far in the Fallujah operation, according to military reports pieced together since Monday. The military has been slow in releasing official, comprehensive reports, citing security.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=540&e=4&u=/ap/20041111/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

Success?? :eyes:

[goddess40]

1. How do people fighting for their homeland become insurgents?

What would we do if some country decided to invade us? Would we not fight back?

Another sad day in America - I'm sorry to all those serving and dieing for a lie. They signed on believing they were willing to defend their country in a time of need and are now serving corporate America in a time of greed.

[maddezmom]

4. don't know..

Main Entry: 1in·sur·gent
Pronunciation: -j&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin insurgent-, insurgens, present participle of insurgere to rise up, from in- + surgere to rise -- more at SURGE
1 : a person who revolts against civil authority or {b]an established government; especially : a rebel not recognized as a belligerent
2 : one who acts contrary to the policies and decisions of one's own political party

Actually, I think the term is accurate....the "insurgents" in this case are revolting against the "puppet" gov't and the "occupation" that controls civil authority. JMO

[Glenda]

18. Some would consider them brave people fighting for their country

The propaganda machine, however, calls them insurgents

[Lexingtonian]

2. Ok, that means 20 fighters are definitely dead

considering past accuracy in body counts and weasely, hamfisted, propagandizing of the first estimates as seen to date.

[maddezmom]

5. I'm sure 100's are dead...

the US has 100's of wounded, but we haven't heard a word on civilian casualties..... :(

[booksenkatz]

3. "U.S. says"

It's gotten to the point where I automatically disbelieve any sentence that begins with those two words. Gee, am I just a negative old cynic, or is my reaction based in hard experience? The U.S. has completely lost any credibility it once had.

Regardless of how many "insurgents" the U.S. has killed, you can take that number and multiply it by dozens of angry surviving family/friends, and THAT is how many NEW recruits Osama has for his army.

Yes, things are just going swimmingly, I'd say.

[BikeWriter]

9. Same-same VietNam!

"Regardless of how many "insurgents" the U.S. has killed, you can take that number and multiply it by dozens of angry surviving family/friends, and THAT is how many NEW recruits Osama has for his army."

That's the way it worked in VietNam. It happens when you're using tanks and bombs on "suspected enemy positions."

[ze_dscherman]

6. According to U.S. military, 600 "insurgents" killed

If this is true, it translates to more than thousand civilians killed. In populated areas, the rate of civilians killed is always higher than the number of fighters. Given the circumstances of the heavy bombing and shelling, the rate should be very high in Fallujah.

But, according to the spinmasters, it's all the terrorists fault because they used them as "human shields".

Sometimes I wish I believed in hell.

[maddezmom]

7. U.S. Estimates 600 Insurgents Killed

Military officials who spoke on condition of anonymity cautioned that the death toll was only a rough estimate and would change as bodies delivered to hospitals and morgues began to be tallied.


The toll takes into account fighters killed in ground fighting, as well as by hundreds of air and artillery strikes that have collapsed buildings and pounded insurgent positions. The military had no information on the numbers of civilians killed or wounded.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=5&u=/ap/20041111/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

So they are sure all the people killed in the bombings were insurgents....RIIIGHT!! More propaganda by the US military.

[PsN2Wind]

8. In VietNam

"If they're dead, they're Viet Cong". In Iraq, "If they're dead, they're insurgents". Simple enough.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

17. They have no information on numbers of civilians

killed or wounded because civilians don't matter to them. At all.

By them I mean the guys in charge, not the troops, though I am sure at times they have to take on a rather hard mindset just to survive there.

[donkeyotay]

10. King George exercising his mandate

God forgive America.

[dArKeR]

11. I never hear the American Whore Media mention how many severely

wounded soldiers there are daily. Very rarely only. This is so disgraceful to the soldiers and their families. The reason is obviously trying to hide the reality of war so that the American public doesn't turn against aWol's murderering psychopathic nature. aWol is Satanic beast. I have the feeling he and Cheney will find many more secret options around the world in which aWol can relive his childhood death/murder wishes. aWol is a rabid animal with the fresh taste of blood in his mouth. This election with the mainstream 'appearance' of no cheating and his 1% mandate will embolden him to spill more blood on the republican alter of Satan.

And the Dems are just as bad for not uniting and call aWol and the media out as liars. If the Dems don't unite and say the truth about the media only using far fascists groups as guests and writers, then the Dems are only going to be picked off one at a time. Fascist groups: Heritage, Hoover, AEI, PNAC... and all their members.

[donkeyotay]

14. Even here lots of people are talking appeasement

The famously radical democratic UNDERGROUND sounds like Miss Manners. "Oh, what well they think in freeperland, if you say this." or "Ooh, no wonder Mr. and Mrs. Middle America think liberals are bad if you say that."

No one gives a fuck what we say here. Saying it like it is didn't cost the election. Kerry ran as center as you can get in this day and age of mass media that represents the entire spectrum of opinion from the right to the far right, and look where it got him.

It's time to tell it like it is. And if someone doesn't want to hear it, fuck em. Go turn on the television or the radio. Middle America doesn't have a clue what's going on, and I thought appeasing fascism was something only liberal bleeding hearts were supposed to do.

[WCGreen]

12. Vichy Iraq.....

The insurgents are really the undeground fighting an invading army that has installed a puppet....

History does repeat itself

Only Germany didn't destroy the whole country in the name of Freedom....

They simply took over and gave the Vichy government a little enclave in the south......

[madrchsod]

13. yup sounds like

the reports from Nam-we are winning the war, the South Vietnamese Army is leading the way, the enemy is losing thousands of soldiers each day-we will win the war-

[maddezmom]

15. updated link: Myers says: humanitarian assistance in Fallujah

It has been some hard fighting. And there have been a lot of insurgents -- many, many, insurgents, hundreds and hundred of insurgents who have either been killed or captured in this activity so far," he said.


Myers sought in a series of television interviews on the US Veterans Day holiday here to stress that the marines' rapid advance through Fallujah did not mean the city had been abandoned by the rebels before the fight.


"Part of the reason it looks like a ghost town is that the Iraqi government gave instructions to the citizens of Fallujah to stay indoors. And the best we know, there have been hardly any, if any, civilian casualties so far," he said.


"And as we clear the city, then humanitarian assistance follows right behind to help those citizens of Fallujah who are not insurgents who are left behind,' he said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1515&ncid=1515&e=8&u=/afp/20041111/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_us_fallujah_041111182949
more lies from Myers....:eyes: BTW, who are those giving the assistance??

[Ripley]

20. THIS IS SUCH A BLATANT LIE.

And the best we know, there have been hardly any, if any, civilian casualties so far," he said.


How is it that I can find these pictures on Yahoo, yet the General, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is unaware?



A 9-year-old Iraqi girl recovers from a skull fracture and two broken legs in the 31st Combat Support Hospital in Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites) Tuesday, Nov. 9, 2004, as hospital staff x-ray a Marine injured in Fallujah in the background. A U.S. Army Bradley fighting vehicle crashed into her family's car, according to her parents. The hospital is considered the busiest American combat trauma hospital in the world.(AP Photo/John Moore)



A boy recovers in a Fallujah hospital after a U.S. airstrike in Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites) Saturday, Nov. 6, 2004, which killed his father, according to hospital officials. U.S. jets pounded Fallujah early Saturday in the heaviest airstrikes in six months, including five 500-pound bombs dropped on insurgent targets.(AP Photo/Bilal Hussein)

Where in the hell are the Democrats on this constant lying about the war? Hello? Hillary? Kerry? Kennedy? Anybody home? LOSERS.

[maddezmom]

22. Myers sought in a series of television interviews on the US Veterans Day

it's sick, disinformation on all days. And sicker is the fact that no media has called him out on the LIES of little to no civilian casualties or mentioned the 100's of wounded being flown out of Iraq

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

16. Um

how do they know all the Iraqis they killed are insurgents?

And how are they defining "insurgent" nowdays?

Seriously, I want to know. Did they go through and make sure they didn't find any dead Iraqi babies or body parts of Iraqi children or mothers?

There's no way they can know those were all insurgents. Who are these insurgents anyway?

[maddezmom]

19. they are counting all the Iraqi's killed during the airstrikes and bombing

Military officials who spoke on condition of anonymity cautioned that the death toll was only a rough estimate and would change as bodies delivered to hospitals and morgues began to be tallied.


The toll takes into account fighters killed in ground fighting, as well as by hundreds of air and artillery strikes that have collapsed buildings and pounded insurgent positions. The military had no information on the numbers of civilians killed or wounded.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&nci...

So they are sure all the people killed in the bombings were insurgents....RIIIGHT!! More propaganda by the US military.

[lebkuchen]

21. Name a general worse than Myers

besides Sanchez.

and Franks.

[maddezmom]

23. who is in charge now??