Internet buzz on vote fraud is dismissed(Boston Globe/ABCNote says silly!)

[papau]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=156238

ABCNOTE SAYS "<snip>All you need to know about the status of the Boston Globe and the Massachusetts Democratic Party, the Boston Globe and the national Democratic Party, and the Boston Globe and Senator Kerry can be summed up in today's paper: a front-pager on the resignation of the state party chair, a front-pager on how the Internet silliness about the election being fixed is, well, Internet silliness, and an inside wire story chronicling the return of John Kerry to the Hill and public life.<SNIP>"


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/11/10/internet_buzz_on_vote_fraud_is_dismissed/


Internet buzz on vote fraud is dismissed
By Rick Klein, Globe Staff | November 10, 2004

WASHINGTON -- <snip>President Bush recorded 4,258 votes to Senator John F. Kerry's 260 in one suburb of Columbus, Ohio -- where only 638 ballots were cast. Across Ohio, some 76,000 punch-card ballots did not register votes for president, and officials have only begun to comb through 155,428 provisional ballots.

In Holmes County, Florida, though nearly three-quarters of registered voters are Democrats, Bush wiped out Kerry, 6,410 to 1,810, in results that mirrored those in several other counties where optical-scan paper ballots were used. And in Florida's Broward County, after the first 32,000 absentee ballots were fed into the computer system, a software glitch caused additional ballots to be subtracted from vote totals, rather than added.<snip>

Kerry campaign officials and a range of election-law specialists agree that while machines made errors and long lines in Democratic precincts kept many voters away, there's no realistic chance that Kerry actually beat Bush.<snip>

Still, with reports swirling on the Internet, six Democratic members of Congress have asked the Government Accountability Office to investigate. Leading academics have joined the fray as well, saying that the integrity and future of the nation's voting system demand a vetting of all claims.<snip>

''I think it's safe to say that on the votes that were cast in Ohio, Bush won," said Dan Tokaji, a law professor at Ohio State University who is working with the ACLU to challenge Ohio's use of punch-card ballots. ''If the margin had been 36,000 rather than 136,000, we would have seen another post-election meltdown."<snip>

As for the exit polls, they remain subject to sampling errors and limitations in data gathering. The polls sponsored by a consortium of media companies had margins of error of roughly 3 percent, and in closely contested states shown to be leaning toward Kerry, narrow Bush wins were actually within the expected range. Florida's margin was larger than expected, but poll takers reported problems getting close enough to voting places to collect adequate samples, and said they feared they were not getting Bush voters to be as forthcoming with their choice as Kerry voters.<snip>


Globe correspondent Alan Wirzbicki contributed to this report. Rick Klein can be reached at [e-mail].

[Pacifist Patriot]

1. The entire tone of the response makes me sick...

with fear our democracy isn't seen as worth the effort to verify the efficacy of its voting process. However, I had to chuckle at this quote.

...and said they feared they were not getting Bush voters to be as forthcoming with their choice as Kerry voters.

That is a remarkably ballsy instance of utter bullshit.

[papau]

2. LOL - but with tears in my eyes .... sigh.... :-)

:-)

[joeunderdog]

8. Discount it, but

don't dismiss it.

[jdj]

18. the second article is odd- here are all the reasons it's fucked up

but it's not fucked up, see, cause if it were we would let you know..

gee, thanks.

[rainbow4321]

31. Repub hypocrisy in TX

Nice little quote from a TX repub on why the repubs will not accept a local Dems win...the vote differnce was by 31 vote...NOTE the LAST sentence in the post:

Political newcomer and Democrat Hubert Vo defeated longtime Republican Rep. Talmadge Heflin, Harris County election officials announced late Monday, a week after the election and following a protracted ballot count and review.

The count showed that Vo, a Houston businessman, defeated Heflin, one of the most powerful lawmakers in the Texas House, by 31 votes.

"There's no confidence in these results at this point," said Andy Taylor, a Republican legal troubleshooter with expertise in election law, who was on hand to represent Heflin. "The outcome can't be trusted because the process was flawed."

[Pacifist Patriot]

32. There's a quote that needs to go on the front page of

BBV, AAR, MM and anyone else who cares to share it.

[KingChicken]

3. This is about more than this election

There ARE REAL PROBLEMS at the polls, either due to tampering or glitches, our votes are getting fucked! Why is the MSM rolling over this, I for one don't want to see the two same companies giving us crap voting machines next time. This must be investigated!

[Slit Skirt]

4. sampling errors and limitations in data gathering......

NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME


IT WAS RIGGED
WE NEED TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM

[UpInArms]

5. A(lways)B(roadcasting)C(rap) information

http://www.reclaimthemedia.org/stories.php?story=04/05/07/2761679

At the direction of CEO Michael Eisner, the Walt Disney Company is prohibiting its Miramax division from distributing a new Michael Moore documentary, "Fahrenheit 911," that is critical of the President's policies and exposes his connections to prominent Saudis. According to Moore's agent, Eisner expressed particular concern that distributing the movie "would have endangered Disney's tax breaks for its theme parks in Florida, where the president's brother Jeb is governor." Eisner's decision also illustrates his cozy and conflicted relationship with the Bush family, particularly Gov. Jeb Bush.

JEB BUSH CONTROLS 7.3 MILLION SHARES OF DISNEY STOCK:
As governor of Florida, Jeb Bush serves as a trustee for the state employees' pension fund. That fund owns approximately 7.3 million shares of Disney stock. According to the Orlando Sentinel on 3/2/04, how the state votes those shares in board of director elections is "a closely watched decision with political as well as economic dimensions." In the last board election, in which Eisner ran unopposed, Jeb Bush and the other trustees symbolically withheld their support for Eisner. If the trustees were to continue opposing Eisner in future elections it could endanger his "two-decade reign at the top of the company."

EISNER TELLS JEB BUSH HOW IMPORTANT THEIR RELATIONSHIP IS TO DISNEY:
Disney's agreement with the state of Florida "gives the entertainment company near complete control over 40,000 acres" in the central part of the state. Disney's theme parks operate "free from government oversight – it is in effect the government – and can do almost whatever it wants with its land." According to the 4/28/01 Palm Beach Post, Michael Eisner, in a private speech to Jeb and his executive staff, stressed he was acutely aware "the success and result of relationship with the state is taken for granted." A member of Jeb's staff, apparently appreciative of his remarks, then asked Eisner "what more the state could do for his company."

<snip>

EISNER IS A CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTOR TO GEORGE AND JEB:
Eisner told reporters yesterday that he was refusing to distribute the film because Disney is "such a nonpartisan company, do not look for us to take sides." Yet Eisner has taken the side of George W. Bush and Jeb Bush against their political opponents when he contributed to their campaigns.

...more...

[Lizzie Borden]

30. Very interesting.

[seemslikeadream]

6. I sent a nice email to Jennings

this morning.

[UpInArms]

7. I hope it "pleased" him

:D

[Straight Shooter]

9. They didn't call it "silliness" when buckhead started the memo scam

Good for the goose, good for the gander.

My god they are out everywhere, doing damage control. Must squash this growing menace of truth that threatens the election results!

If the election had been fair, rove and his minions would be sitting back, relaxing. As it is, they're rushing around like chickens with their heads cut off, screaming, "The exit polls are falling, the exit polls are falling!"

Bring 'em on.

[louis-t]

11. Damage control everywhere. Commercials on TV

are constantly saying "your vote counted, we counted every vote". Ministry of Propaganda is alive and well.

[laheina]

24. Don't be discouraged-- Truth will prevail

I'm sure that Nixon put up a big fight going into Watergate. He IS the one who started that whole "Liberal Media" meme. Keep it up!

[dkofos]

10. How much evidence is needed before they get curious?

[newyawker99]

16. Hi dkofos!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[leesa]

12. It's just so silly to expect to be able to vote and have it counted!

[Kellis]

14. they can say anything they like

It IS being investigated by people of authority.The very idea that there may have been fraud is reason enough to take this seriously.We will get to the bottom of this.Like it.Or not.:kick:

[jdj]

19. In NC, the only ballots that lined up with exit polls were the

paper absentee ballots, which is how I voted.

So if mine didn't end up in the trash, my vote may have actually counted.

[VegasWolf]

13. Of course! They bought hook, line, and sinker that Iraq was

responsible for 911. Their credibility is a little
strained, as is most of the major media.

[FuzzySlippers]

15. Yup. We're just a bunch of conspiracy theorists and/or

goofuses.:tinfoilhat: :silly:

[HeeBGBz]

20. Just a conspiracy theory

Shared by 48% of the US an 90% of the rest of the planet.

[jdj]

21. But where are the WMD's, where is the yellowcake???

The head conspiracy theorist just got re-elected, so nobody better try to shut me up with that one...

and Mohammed Atta was not in Iraq, either.

[laheina]

25. Bait and Switch dearie, bait and switch.

[Judi Lynn]

17. Looks as if we have seen our first and last Watergate level story.

From now on, they're not going to risk profit for ANYTHING. They just can't be bothered.

[The Spirit of JFK]

22. I'm quitting the Globe...

I subscribe to the Globe as I like their local/regional coverage...and they USED to have great sports writers. But ever since the New York Times bought them....well, starting a little befor that but more noticably afterwards....their integrity has gone way downhill. They use a lot more recycled stories from other sources and do a lot less investigative stuff then they used to.

I sent a letter about that article...taking them to task for an "ill-researched" and too narrowly focused. I pointed out that if you ACTUALLY did any work/research or talked with anyone working on this, you would actually find honest to goodness numbers, lot's of them, and right off the official state election web sites, even. How easy is that?

I gave them a ton of numbers and said if THOSE weren't enough to be concerned there was also a proven lack of certification and security checks, all the missing absentee ballots, the voter intimidation, dirty tricks, etc...

And finally...

"I spent about an hour or so researching this, mostly on official state election web sites and online media outlets (making sure I had more than one source, of course)...and I found enough that THIS was ths shortest I could make this letter. Sadly, I have come to expect trivial indifference and one-sided patronization from the info-tainment based corporate media, but to read something like this in the Globe is truly disheartening.

The GOP is right, to some degree...it's about values. I just never knew that professionalism, fairness, and respecting individuals fundamental rights were ones we were willing to throw away."

Done with the Globe...I've reached the point where I can do all their crossword puzzles anyway, so there's no reason to keep them.

[anamandujano]

23. just emailed some links to some foreign media

http://newslink.org/

I sent an email to The Guardian, The Courrier, The Australian and 6 newseditors at various papers in Canada. Also sent it to Olberman.

I sent the following email:

***********

2004 COLLECTED VOTE FRAUD STORIES

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html


EXIT POLL ANALYSIS FOR 47 STATES

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x36314

***********

After a rest, I'm going to try to send some more.

[Karna]

26. F___ ABCNEWS!

screw em'

[FeelinGarfunkelly]

27. Vote fraud is so SILLY!

Geez thanks ABC. 90,000 more votes than voters..isn't that just a crazy imagined conspiracy? Votes gone missing.. it's ridiculous!

[rainbow4321]

28. From a Russian newspaper/fraud article

http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/399/14556_ballots.html


In Florida, 13 counties reported more votes than voters, these accounting for 39.4% of the vote. In Ohio, at the Gahana 1 Precinct, Bush received 6,253 votes, Kerry 1,916 votes, and the others, 23. This totals 8,192 votes, which is strange, since only 4,346 people voted.

At another Precinct in Gahana, Ohio, 4,258 votes were cast for Bush and only 260 for Kerry, while only 638 people were registered as having voted.

Electronic vote and rigged machines

Hernando Country recorded 0 votes. In Ohio, 14,6% of votes cast were by e-voting machines, which are susceptible to hacking and fraudulent manipulation and the Republicans had worked hard to exclude the possibility of there being a paper trail to provide any proof.

In Florida, electronic scan machines registered a gain of 128.45% for Bush and a decrease of 21% for Kerry, whereas in some places a gain of 400% was recorded for the Republicans and in Liverty County, 700%. Strange.

[anamandujano]

33. excellent

Followed your link and got their email address and sent them the links from whatreallyhappened and the exit polling thread.

Hope they do more.

[Javaman]

29. Here is the translation: eat a shit sandwich and like it.

[RummyTheDummy]

34. I hate ABC's "The Note"

Read it periodically throughout the election and it read like Sean Hannity's newsletter to his followers. Right wing Repug propoganda.

[stepnw1f]

35. Absolutely Disgusting

The media is covering this shit up big time! Listen you pussys, your country is Fascist due to your convient life style. Tomorrow your life will be ver different. You'll wish you said something when you had the ability to. Fucking hacks!!