Iraq Troops Find 'Hostage Slaughterhouses'

[maddezmom]

NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq - Iraqi troops have found "hostage slaughterhouses" in Fallujah where foreign captives were held and killed, the commander of Iraqi forces in the city said Wednesday.


Troops found CDs and records of people taken captive in houses in the northern part of Fallujah, Maj. Gen. Abdul Qader Mohammed Jassem Mohan told reporters.


"We have found hostage slaughterhouses in Fallujah that were used by these people and the black clothing that they used to wear to identify themselves, hundreds of CDs and whole records with names of hostages," the general said at a military camp near Fallujah.


He was unsure if the hostage records included the names of any of the at least nine foreigners still in the hands of kidnappers — most notably, British aid worker Margaret Hassan, French journalists Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot and an unidentified American worker for a Saudi company.


more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041110/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_hostages&cid=540&ncid=1480

Are these the same Iraqi forces paid directly from the US military???

[Name removed]

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[amber dog democrat]

2. At this point I see no difference between them and us

In this latest stage of the battle for control of resources, more deaths are going to follow. I have no clue how this is going to end but I have no faith in our leadership either.

It still feels like Vietnam to me.

[0007]

14. The difference between Vietnam and Iraq is this, at least

the U.S. had the South helping to fight the North, and a place for the troops to get drunk and have a conversation with a non english speaking girl.

Where do the troops go to relax in Iraq. Or are they forced to listen to General Boykin tapes? And watch John Hagee re-runs?


Hagee and junior


Hagee and Poppy


Condi and Hagee

[amber dog democrat]

18. Besides being known for criminal association

who is this Hagee dude ?

[0007]

28. You'll find him on your tilly in the religious section. This fucker

is a good speaker, a good actor in the name Jays'us. He's a gas to watch. I can only take him for about seven and a half minutes. Do a google on him for more information. But 'ya got to catch him at least once to appreciate what I'm talking about mate.

[amber dog democrat]

30. but he is so rotund. What is the attraction ?

Its a shame I stopped watching anything on TV years ago. ( well I rent movies ).

Thanks for the profile on this fundie/used - god salesman.

I guess he greases the skids for Chimp Admin social agendas.

In return, my fave evangelical con artist was / it the Rev Bob Tilton.
I loved it when he talked in tougues.


Kodabosonda, dude.

[mumon]

31. John Hagee is a walking illustration

that "you are what you eat" becomes a reality when you have too many pork products and by-products.

[0007]

47. I almost forgot dickie

Heart & guts & bullshit

[merh]

42. Didn't the military adopt new regulations that do not allow

fratenization with prostitutes? :shrug: I believe they did.

[0007]

44. The military always had off limits whore houses, but that never

bothered any trooper I knew.

[MeanAndGreen]

57. Look harder

I don't recall too many US troops performing public be-headings, bridge hangings, suicide car bombs aimed at innocents and other killing just for the shock of killing innocents. Even we that hate war can see that the US is not anything like the vermin performing these act of terror and horror.

[bossfish]

58. Well, when WE reject the Geneva Conventions...

...aren't we sort of saying "anything goes'?

The beheadings are gruesome to be sure, but dead is dead, frankly. And there have been numerous innocents killed on both sides.

[Tempest]

3. U.S. troops create their own slaughterhouses

'Scores of civilians' killed in Falluja

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/813419D5-CC95-4505-9367-05140111C618.htm

Muhammad Abbud said he watched his nine-year-old son bleed to death at their Falluja home, unable to take him to hospital as fighting raged in the streets and bombs rained down on the Iraqi city.

Residents say scores of civilians have been killed or wounded in 24 hours of fighting since US-led forces pushed deep into the city on Monday evening.

Doctors said people brought in at least 15 dead civilians at the main clinic in Falluja on Monday. By Tuesday, there were no clinics open, residents said, and no way to count casualties.

[jmcgowanjm]

4. CIA Propagit working overtime

DR. Imad Jad, an Israeli affairs expert at the Al-Ahram
Studies Center, said the US had already airlifted 70
Iraqi scientists out of the country and placed them in areas
to make it difficult for them to “transfer information to anti-
US quarters.” 

He said more than 310 Iraqi scientists have been killed so
far and most of them at the hands of Mossad agents working
in Iraq. 

He said the Ahram Center estimated that nearly 17,000
Iraqi scientists working in various fields of knowledge have
fled the country since the US-led
invasion. 

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7199.htm
You'll never see this story in USmedia.

This "slaughterhouse story will never pan out"
Details in about 3 or so days.
But by then the Propagit office will have flitted on to
some other fear.

[Demonaut]

5. I can't believe anything this administration tells us

two weeks from now this will be debunked

[grumpy old fart]

7. Lost all credibility

This war and this chimp have cost the U.S. any credibility we still had in the world, or in the U.S. for that matter. Except among the true believer rethugs, of course.

[ilovenicepeople]

39. the only thing that would shock me about this story

is if the "slaughterhouse" wasn't tied to the CIA.

[KingChicken]

6. It's very disturbing, and I can't defend it, but I know the rage they feel

I've had moments in the last few months where I wanted to setup some slaughterhouses for the certain individuals on the right. Seeing what is going on in Iraq, I can understand why they are using such gruesome tactics to get peoples attention.

[underpants]

8. Uggh!

Sounds horrible.

But luckily these aren't SADDAM's slaughterhouses...right?

[wtmusic]

9. 'Slaughterhouse' is on the Rove Top 40 Buzzterm List

Can you believe those animals *cut people's heads off* instead of blowing the shit out of them with a 500-lb bomb?

[maddezmom]

10. and still not one account from the US military of civilian casualties

:puke:

[ElectroPrincess]

11. Hummm ... their logic would dictate

Hostage Slaughterhouse + Kidnapped Allowi Relatives = FREE FIRE ZONE declared for all of Iraq. Now shut up and listen to FOX for all the fair and balanced news.

[amber dog democrat]

17. Why don't we do low level incendiary raids

like the Allies did in Dresden - just for effect ? After all we are the good side.
We can justify anything - and spin it on FOX. That will learn them not to hate freedom.

" soon they'll be civilized, neat and clean and well advised. - and we'll send
them to heaven in our own good time ! ) ( from an old Clancy Brothers song )

[maddezmom]

25. "white phosphorus"

Some artillery guns fired white phosphorous rounds that create a screen of fire that cannot be extinguished with water. Insurgents reported being attacked with a substance that melted their skin, a reaction consistent with white phosphorous burns.

Kamal Hadeethi, a physician at a regional hospital, said, "The corpses of the mujaheddin which we received were burned, and some corpses were melted."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35979-2004Nov9_2.html

[amber dog democrat]

29. Yup, that sounds like Willy Peter alright.

This is more and more like Vietnam - and the civil war has not yet even gotten underweigh. They can run, but we cant hide.
Naplam and B-52s are next ?

[maddezmom]

38. since no one is there, probably already using it

[ilovenicepeople]

40. DING DING you win a prize!

Yes they have used napalm already in Iraq and Afganistan.

[maddezmom]

46. if that's true. wish

I lost :(

[Straight Shooter]

12. "Slaughterhouses," as in "rape rooms"

Why not "beheading rooms" or "abattoirs"? I prefer the word "abattoir" because freepers think it means a French bathroom, for some reason I can't fathom.

[Briar]

13. Any incubators in there? n/t

[leftchick]

15. slaughtering houses ???

oops, that is what the US military does, slaughter people in their houses...

[maddezmom]

24. "body parts" everywhere in Fallujah

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=972052&mesg_id=972052

US military needs no houses :(

[maddezmom]

36. dead bodies lay on the street of Jumhuriya

Dead bodies lay on the streets of Jumhuriya, with dogs hovering around them, witnesses said. Residents said they were running out of food in a city that had its electricity cut two days ago.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041110/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_041110174106

[okieinpain]

16. I don't understand why this is a surprise. I thought this was why

we were attacking, because this is where the terrorist where. why did they think they would find. what's funny to me is how all of the reporters keep saying they are meeting lite resistance. is that because all of the terrorist have move to other parts of the country. like where allawi's relatives are.

[daleo]

19. Sounds like a fresh batch of lies

""We have found hostage slaughterhouses in Fallujah that were used by these people and the black clothing that they used to wear to identify themselves, hundreds of CDs and whole records with names of hostages," the general said at a military camp near Fallujah.
...
"I did not look closely" at the documents, he said."

So, they have found some dark clothes (hoodies, anyone?), and hundreds of CDs (music? data?) and records with names (press clippings?, LP collection?). This sounds like propaganda, Republican style. Throw out some vague references, don't explain any further, but plant implications with no actual evidence produced. Use a puppet spokesman to enhance "credibility".

I can't believe anything from this crowd.

[maddezmom]

20. agree, interesting we didn't get fresh video??

unlike the Iraqi'a that took the hospital. :shrug: The headlines aren't going their way so they just make up the news.

[jmcgowanjm]

23. What Sort of Criminal Monsters Bomb Hospitals?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/NIM411A.html

[maddezmom]

49. surprise, surprise...FOX has the exclusive video

:eyes:

[fryguy]

21. as horrible as they are - they weren't there before the US invaded

but chimp won't bother with that little fact

[liberalmuse]

22. All of Iraq is a stinking slaughterhouse.

Thank you, Bush. Sounds like overblown propaganda to me. I believe NOTHING that comes from the ministry of lies.

[The_Casual_Observer]

26. I was waiting for this story!

They needed some reason to call this campaign a success, if even temporarily. This is of course propaganda of the first water, but it sounds like progress. Naturally, they didn't actually capture anybody involved with the kidnappings.

[srk6969]

59. Zarkowi and his ilk

Do you really believe our troops are going to let zarkowi or his slime live if they find them? They won't make it out of fallujah alive.

[NNN0LHI]

27. Is the Iraqi army massing on the Saudi border too? n/t

[saigon68]

32. DID THEY FIND THE RAPE ROOMS OR RAPE CAMPS???

Surprising they didn't know about these before today, since they have been "precision" bombing the crap out this place, since the "contractors" WERE INVITED TO THE BARBECUE.

[DrWeird]

33. Right on script.

nt

[maddezmom]

34. marine spokesman Mohan: records of countries offering gifts of weapons

Mohan said many of the homes also served as hideouts for Arab militants and depots for arms supplied by foreign countries.


"We also found huge amounts of weapons and records detailing which country had offered it as a gift," he said as he pointed to an aerial map of the city.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1515&ncid=1515&e=3&u=/afp/20041110/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_fallujah_hostages_041110181941

Let's see...wonder if Saudi makes the list? And where is the video of the Iraqi's finding the "houses" and all the records?? They were hot to show the Iraqi's in the hospital....but now nothing.

[daleo]

37. Probably planted, to aid in the next invasion

It is just too convenient. Like when the Telegraph printed the story about finding documents on the floor of one of Saddam's government buildings, outlining bribes to the anti-war British MP, which it later retracted as untrue.

[VegasWolf]

35. This is probably all that we will hear from the "news" for

the next two weeks!

[JoFerret]

41. Remember the Belgian babies on German spikes in 1914...

---same old, same old. Propaganda, lies and atrocity stories always obscure the actual events. Alleged acts against civilians are always used as a pretext to keep the punters at home happy with the war. They also serve to obscure all the actual atrocites.

The war is an atrocity. Waging war on a civilian population, attacking a city packed with civilians. The "terrorists" have all fled.

[merh]

43. It's easy to find what you help create!

We are so culpable. :cry:

[Swamp Rat]

45. Right on time. The propaganda about "rape rooms" in Fallujah will

dominate the airwaves right on through the weekend... or maybe they will coin another, similar term like "decapitation dorms."

Be SCARED christian America!

Now go shopping.

[CHICKEN CAPITOL USA]

48. PROVE IT

All these"facts"--let's see the videos and the exact location they claim and see if they match.
let's make sure these aren't "plants" before we state it as fact.
I guess the po 'lil media is just trying to pad the massacre of all those thousands of civilians.
On CBS news tonight they said the tanks blew up each block before the American troops would walk in.(showed footage)--think of how many people just happened to be huddled inside some of those buildings with their families terrified of the advancing invaders.

Remember Abu Garib? the background of the first beheading video matched the background of the prison down to the painted stripe in the hallway.

Fallujah--slaughterhouse where tens of thousands of innocent civilians happened to live.

also have to say to CBS--
Dan Rather's final commentary about the picture of the "soldier" in the "front lines" in Fallujah is SICK SHIT !!!
Glorifying the killing as some sort of NOBLE deed. The picture? weep?
Get Real Rather.

[Judi Lynn]

50. Kick.

[maddezmom]

51. AP quoting a Fox embed re: finding 5 victims in a locked house

Also, a Fox News reporter embedded with India Company of the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment said the unit found five bodies in a locked house in northwest Fallujah on Wednesday. All the victims were shot in the back of the head. Their identities were not known, although there were indications they were civilians, the report said.


At least nine foreigners are still in kidnappers' hands in Iraq, including British aid worker Margaret Hassan, French journalists Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot and an unidentified American worker for a Saudi company.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=1&u=/ap/20041111/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_hostage_slaughterhouse

Has anyone heard this or seen this story anywhere??? Or is it a Fox exclusive like the original "Iraqi Army storms Fallujah Hospital Solo"?

[cubsfan forever]

53. My take: Another Chickenhawk "exclusive"

from Pravda, er, Faux.

Professor 2

[maddezmom]

54. for their viewers consumption only

cuz no one else has touched it so far today, so far. Oh yeah, but AP!! :wtf:

[cubsfan forever]

52. Theirs? Or Ours?

I wouldn't believe anything these fascists say. This is simply Rovian spin designed to distract from the reality of the absolute catastrophe in Iraq. I feel sympathy for our troops and the innocent people of Iraq. As for the Nazis in the WH... :puke:

Professor 2

[burrowowl]

55. Why do I not believe a word of it?

Sounds a lot like the crap they told us about VN. The hostages could be in Washington DC for all we know.

[pinniped]

56. WTF are they talking about? The whole country is a slaughterhouse.

Ya, but did they find the "cache" of orange jumpsuits?